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No. This has already been covered in the EULA. A while back There were common scams with people using API to "show wallet transactions" to prove they were legit isk doublers. CCP banned using external sites for scamming at that point as they were getting too many service tickets blaming the API. Your suggestion would fall into the same category.

Well, I never got involved with the various 3rd party gambling services and I didn't care if they operated using in-game assets / ISK.

However this latest change to the EULA / TOS seems like a knee-jerk reaction than a fully thought out decision based on factual information. Even if it is, the main thing I see happening here is CCP becoming more fascist.

CCP's Eve Online = The New Fatherland.



DMC

Dammit...sorry.

Hi Alan, I'm sure you intended to make it clear that you have no idea who's worried about being ganked by an Alpha Clone player, let alone whether it encompasses the entire player base. So I helped you (italics mine).

IMHO CCPs PR crew should take a look at the donations some Casinos made and maybe replace it. It would be a shame if things like CZ went down the drain. If you want news sides and other things player sponsored then there must be enough (game)money involved. You don't have to like IWI and Co but they had some positive effects for Eve.

Don't need it, just needs to be possible. The American compulsion to sue then takes over.

Look, I'm pretty sure most people at CCP don't care if you want to gamble with ISK. And they might be fine with some gambling sites in an ideal world.

But we don't live in an ideal world. So CCP just decided to chuck the whole thing into the waste bin to be done with it and avoid any hassles that could involve IRL lawyers and costs.

Not going to read through all this to see if anybody had called you guys out on it but here:

So to be clear, after years of free publicity as these sites sponsored places like EN24, CZ, alllllllll the podcasts that got you attention on twitch and gaming sites, after they carry your tournament this year for the first bit and do an arguably better job than you yourself have this year, after all that, you're just going to take a heaving dump on their chest and outright shut them down because of .........

What a great way to thank your playerbase for its years of service keeping your company afloat.


So your own media is sparse, who do you suggest pays the writers that generate interest in your game now? Who pays the streamers that give newer players a glimpse of a game they might get hooked on?

Your community held you up when you were down, and your response to that is to purposely gut everything that currently generates content from the player base.


EDIT: Not to mention, prohibition has literally never worked, people will still gamble.

No.

I never denied raffle is gambling. It's normal in gambling that you increase your bet either your winning chance increases or the potential winning amount increases.

Yes I'm unhappy that my favourite toy got called back, because some people can choke from it, and there were some dodgy people working in the toy factory, and some dodgy dealers selling these toys.

But I have never choked from the toy, I never broke any laws in buying this toy, and this toy was perfectly legal to purchase, and I purchased it with money I earned in legitimate ways that can be audited and accounted for, and now they are closing down the toy factory, confiscating everything from the dealers who may not have broken any law effective at the time, and taking my own freaking away too while at it.

RMT was always bannable offense and I never did it, and I support strictest action on those who RMT. But again, I stress the point, surely not EVERYONE in the whole process of IWI committed, unless CCP has evidences proving that ALL of them did. I trust some of the bankers I got to know decently through the community, but obviously I cannot say for a fact they RMT or not. but I know I never RMTed, and I know other players that they never RMTed (because I know them out of game/IRL too and we been gaming togther for more than 2 decades), and yet EVERYONE is affected in a negative way.

Again, I stress again. I'm not protesting against punishing anyone who did wrong. I'm not supporting any RMTer. I support ban and confiscation and punishment to those who broke the rules. But the fact is that thousands of players have been effected negatively. Such blanket treatment is just negative way to manage the game world/system, and makes me lose faith in CCP to manage the game in reliable manner. I'm not even commenting in a 'good way' or 'bad way', but this immediate enforcement of negative action just makes CCP and the game so unreliable to put long term trust and commitment on it, and I have always stuck by CCP through thick and thin and even applauded them for :effort: during Incarna.

What they are doing now is just sick.