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Thank the Lord..

Or in this case my deepest gratitude goes out to CCP Seagul..

Now we just need to wait for you guys to add that ingame ccp created casino button in stations?

I agree. Gambling has always been a big part of Eve ever since I was a noob. It's sad to see CCP issue such a broad ban on all forms of gambling.

Games of chance are not games of skill (poker), but as part of poker involves elements of chance where is the line ?

I'm sure Eve Online Hold'Em is covered by this ban on gambling as well.

I't doesn't say gambling games, it says games of chance.

Yeah, but it's run by the dev and not a third party. Straw man fail.

CCP, I will talk about IWI specifically, that you shut down and disbanded today with immediate effect.

First off, no I don't need my ISK back from my IWI account. After I claimed all the winnings I have about 100b in IWI account and 160m tokens which is roughly 14 billions worth, so probably maximum 120b ISK loss from not being able to withdraw from IWI account any more.

CCP you may not care, but those who played in IWI in recent months will know. Toobo doesn't rage on ISK loss. Toobo doesn't shed a single drop of tear at 120b loss. 120b ISK loss doesn't hurt my in-game financial stability or activities - I am perfectly fine and able to write it off as a loss. And I cashed out over a trillion in September from multiple jackpots and big wins, so no, my RAGE about closing of IWI is not about ISK, in any way, whatsoever.

It's about the fact that CCP has made decision to shut down a players created/run project, and punishing everyone involved in it in a blanket bombing, with no warning or explanations.

I get that CCP must have evidence of some involved RMT-ing, but I have never RMT'ed in my whole eve career, CCP can look through any records of mine and YOU will KNOW that I never RMTed. But yet, I lost my ISK from your shutdown of IWI.

There must be many others. SOME bankers/players who made lots of ISK may have RMTed. Ban them. I don't like RMT tards anyway. Ban them for good. I'm happy with that.

But why should ALL players, and non offending staffs of the site should lose the ISK?

CCP cannot guarantee that our ISK trusted to a third party, especially out of game site, will be safe and will be returned. I understand that too and accept that. But people got screwed not because IWI staff or anyone 'scammed' us or 'stole' our ISK, but because CCP has destroyed all means for them to pay back the players. It is NOT IWI that caused the loss of ISK and no return/reimbursement to players, it is CCP decision to implement a blanket ban and confiscation of all assets and ISK that have caused the loss for the players.

This is unacceptable, because whether it's 1 ISK or 10b ISK or 10t ISK, players have taken loss, not through any failure in game play choices in-game, not because they got 'scammed' or got tricked by a better player, but because DEV made the decision to forcefully disband the IWI corp and take all ISK from bankers wallets - it is the DEV action that caused this loss to the players.

I don't care whether this is fair or not. I don' believe in fair world, neither IRL or in-game. So I'm not raging because CCP has done anything 'unfair'. I'm not happy because the Dev took an action which only Dev/GM can take, with no chance of player response, and no chance of non-RMT involved bankers to pay back the other players. This is not question of 'fair' or not, it's about CCP implementing an action with no warning, to which all players are powerless to and can only suffer from.

CCP could have banned the RMT-ers, bankers or players or whoever, gambling or not. But why do this to everyone?

Especially considering that EVE-Bet has time to 'wind down' and pay out/settle with players in civilised manner?

Has CCP discussed with player-base/CSM about what we think about third party asset/isk transfers and such? Has there been any announcement that CCP is 'reviewing' the situation? Has there been any notice to the sites like IWI that they should stop taking deposits and start paying out the players, in good will, in a civilised manner?

It's not about the ISK, it's not about RMT, it's about CCP carpet bombing quite significant number of players regardless of what they have done, while many people involved (be it a staff or players) have possibly never broken any EULA while that was in effect.

So look, what CCP has done is this.

We, as players, did things which were never banned in EULA, had fun, built community, made some ISK (or lost ISK, for most people), got inspired, and the operation funded the most advertised EVE events in recent years, and all that.

Then suddenly, you change EULA. OK, CCP as a company can do that, any time, to change EULA and TOS, with or without notice. I can even accept that, I have no sense of entitlement on this at all.

But to TAKE AWAY something that has all been done within EULA, by applying the suddenly changed EULA to the previous periods and making any ISK gains from those void? You can say, ok from today, no more, fair enough. But to say, ok, no more from today, and we will take what you earned before too, because we changed the rules today and want to apply it to the time when this rule didn't exist.

Seriously CCP. You are getting something really rare here. I've won trillions and lost trillions. My life time winning is over 117 TRILLIONS. Toobo doesn't shed a drop of tear or rage at ISK loss, especially considering I only lost 120b isk maximum on this as I have habit of cashing out regularly.

But what you've done to IWI, that's just stupid. And you get a single drop of Toobo tear but with no salt in it, but lots of RAGE from Toobo who nobody has ever seen rage in EVE.

You destroyed ISK. Crap but that can happen.

You destroyed community. Sad, but it can be built again through other means.

You destroyed player experience and the trust in the system of game management. That is beyond sad.

That's all. You are beyond sad.


Toobo.

CCP didn't change the EULA without notice. This dev blog was them giving notice that they will be changing it on Nov 8.

CCP didn't ban IWI over the changed EULA. They banned them for RMT, something which has always been against the rules.

Other gambling sites remain allowed until the changed EULA comes into force. They have the option for a graceful shutdown. They also have the option of keeping all the money they hold because today is when they decided to turn their legit gambling site into a scam.


Actually, that raises a question: Are gambling scams allowed under the new EULA ?
Operations which pretend to be a game of chance, but are really keeping all the ISK that they get their hand on. Nobody wins anything, because they aren't games of chance.

Of course then you have to prove that there is a minor competing in the tournament. Good luck with that.

You'd probably have to prove it to Falcon and Peligro. Both of whom would probably ban first and ask questions later.