Wormholes

You're correct, I don't want to collect WH citadel locations like other people collect stamps. In fact I want to collect all citadel names in every system in the game. The reason for this is because citadel IDs turn up in a few places in CCP's APIs. They turn up in courier contracts and in ranged buy orders, and a few other places. But unlike with outposts, CCP haven't made an API that allows you to find out the name of a citadel or the system its in.

So lets say you have an app or website that lists your courier contracts, and lets say you've made a contract from a citadel. What is this application supposed to display for the destination of the contract? a number like 10239019292? That's obviously awful for the users of the app! So the solution to this problem that I came up with is to crowd-source citadel names and locations so that they can be matched up to IDs. I've exposed myself to potentially several billion ISK of liability with this citadel hunt, essentially as a public service to third-party app makers!

So if you turn around and sell these locations to groups looking to evict people, I get a say in who you sell them to?

I didn't think so. This "deal" is ridiculous.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you. I've said my peace. And if you don't get it now - nothing I say will convince you. If the general consensus from interested parties is 'don't do it,' there's obviously some concern.

Even though Noxisia Arkana has had a hissy fit, I'm still trying to understand the issue: so lets say you find out the citadels in a wormhole system from this API. How do you then translate that into stomping a weaker corp?

Ok so basically you're not sure how it would help other people, but you just don't want to risk helping other people.

Better safe than sorry, I get that.

Bullshit.


You have no idea about wormholes do you. Easy to find a system if you really want to.


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Regardless, you've been explained to multiple times how it can be detrimental and still you refuse to understand what is being said.

The Sisi thing is fixed FYI. But it is still a bit extra intel that I wouldn't want.

If you use a tool like jEveAssets, and you have assets in a citadel, then before this API existed then you would have no idea which system the assets were even in. Now, for known citadels, jEveAssets is able to tell you the name of the citadel and the system its in.

Similarly if you use a website or third party app to track/manage item exchange or courier contracts that are located in a citadel, then the app cannot tell you the system or name of the citadel without the information provided by this API. Courier contracts don't really apply in wormholes I guess, only in k-space.

This API is designed to make third party apps/websites work well - maybe it has a side-effect of making it slightly easier to scout out systems but that's not its core purpose.

I too would much rather the citadel name <-> ID mapping was available through an official API! Its precisely because CCP have deprioritised their API work (so they can focus on their mobile app) that I've had to make this imperfect third party API.

Regarding false information, the problem is not that players are reporting the citadels. In fact the bookmarks that players upload contain a citadel ID and solar system ID (and similar information is available from ranged buy orders) so if the API says a citadel is there, then we know for sure that the citadel definitely is or was there.

Where this information is inaccurate is that there is no way of determining whether a citadel has been destroyed or unanchored, and there's no way of determining whether every citadel in a system has been uploaded. So the presence of a citadel in the API does not guarantee that its still there, and the absence of a citadel in the API does not guarantee no citadel is there.

Despite these limitations this API is successful at filling in gaps in CCP's API coverage for various third party tools. For example one player commented in another thread: "Did the update and now see my favorite citadel names just like regular stations. Very nice!".



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