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[news] Theology Council Issues Advisory Exhortation on Status of Clone
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2016-10-11 18:50:39 UTC
This seems big.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#2 - 2016-10-11 18:52:28 UTC
And I thought Synthia had a talent for understatement.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#3 - 2016-10-11 19:01:06 UTC
I see.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#4 - 2016-10-11 19:22:33 UTC
I always had an inkling that I still had a soul somewhere in me. Nice to see that possibility may be validated.

Other than that, however, business as usual.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Mitara Newelle
Newelle Family
#5 - 2016-10-11 19:26:14 UTC
A great weight of the unknown has been lifted. I am relieved to know that when I finally leave this world I shall join my fellow Faithful in Paradise. I am renewed in my conviction to fulfill the duties God has placed upon me. I pray my sentiments are shared among the rest of the Faithful capsuleers.

Regarding the heretic, I rejoice in the Privy Council's decision and punishment. Molok has poisoned you, Lysus, beyond repair. May you rot for all time.

Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-10-11 19:35:41 UTC
I will have to take the time to read the decision in full and compose my thoughts. However, I think that today the Supreme Sobor has confirmed what we all knew and what we all have seen. God's power is limitless. No mere technology of ours can disrupt, or destroy His order of creation. He made human beings with souls for a purpose, and our soul stays with us when we clone. A great weight has been lifted from Imperial capsuleers this day. A great uncertainty cleared.

May God continue to Bless Empress Catiz, the Privy Council, the Theology Council, and all those that lead Holy Amarr.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2016-10-11 21:03:54 UTC
Ah, transhumanism. And just in time it seems!

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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2016-10-11 21:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
The Theology and Privy Councils has finally weighed in with two, linked messages, concerning Capsuleers in the Empire.

First, my heart rejoices as the Council recognized that a Just God could reward the Faithful. Capsuleers in the Empire are a part of the Faithful to be accepted as "embodying souls in communion with the Imperial Rite as the flesh of their birth would speak to us".

Second, Capsuleers in the Empire also have the obligations of the Faithful and a failure to follow them will lead to a fate similar to Lysus.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2016-10-11 23:13:37 UTC
Never divorce an Empress - she always gets the house.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Solu Terona
Alexylva Paradox
#10 - 2016-10-11 23:34:08 UTC
Let it never be said that the reclaimed can't get **** done. My respect to the Empress

Humans must eventually break out from the limits of biology, its not radical to accept the inevitable.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2016-10-11 23:52:15 UTC
Think that decision was one Empress too late....
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-10-12 00:06:04 UTC
Quote:
The Theology Council's top scholars have supported their judgment by analogy with the highly unusual cases of Empress Jamyl I and Lord Aritcio Kor-Azor. In regard to the former case they noted the "miraculous presence" of the Empress's soul in both the body of her birth and the body "given her by divine providence after her first death".
Empress Jamyl continuing to serve as an example and changing things for capsuleers even after death.

Quote:
"embodying souls in communion with the Imperial Rite as the flesh of their birth would speak to us"
Big indeed.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#13 - 2016-10-12 00:32:38 UTC
Punishment seems too severe for a devoted servant who just lost his liege and couldn't cope with grief in a proper manner.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2016-10-12 01:04:44 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
I see.

Special Delivery! One Sammi-Soul.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#15 - 2016-10-12 01:13:17 UTC
That seems a little foreboding in the long term. If clones are no longer inherently blasphemous in most circumstances, how long could the sacred flesh doctrine really hold up theologically? What would happen to a society like the Empire if Holders could rule indefinitely, without needing to pay regard to their wider family and succession?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2016-10-12 01:14:50 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
That seems a little foreboding in the long term. If clones are no longer inherently blasphemous in most circumstances, how long could the sacred flesh doctrine really hold up theologically? What would happen to a society like the Empire if Holders could rule indefinitely, without needing to pay regard to their wider family and succession?

I'm guessing a lot of assassination.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2016-10-12 01:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I see.

Special Delivery! One Sammi-Soul.


IIIII officially have a SOOOOUL!

(Too.)

It's hard to overstate how cheery I am about this, and I'm not even properly a believer. It's just been really depressing being confronted all too often with the idea that not only am I a pathetic soulless little marionette, but that I've always been one for as long as I've existed as a separate being!

(I have no memory of a time before I was a clone, to be clear.)

I hope you'll be able to draw some comfort from this ruling, Ms. Kernher. I know I will, and I don't even believe in souls in this sense in the first place!
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#18 - 2016-10-12 01:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I'm guessing a lot of assassination.


If it does play out that way, it's not exactly an ideal for a society that bases itself on the ostensible piety of it's rulers.

Call me a misanthrope, but I can't see this as anything other then a fairly cynical move to solidify favor in the increasingly important Capsuleer class in the Empire by the new Empress. But, I won't sneer at those who take vindication from it regardless.
Solu Terona
Alexylva Paradox
#19 - 2016-10-12 01:36:37 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
I see.

Special Delivery! One Sammi-Soul.


IIIII officially have a SOOOOUL!

(Too.)

It's hard to overstate how cheery I am about this, and I'm not even properly a believer. It's just been really depressing being confronted all too often with the idea that not only am I a pathetic soulless little marionette, but that I've always been one for as long as I've existed as a separate being!

(I have no memory of a time before I was a clone, to be clear.)

I hope you'll be able to draw some comfort from this ruling, Ms. Kernher. I know I will, and I don't even believe in souls in this sense in the first place!

You and me both miss Jenneth. I am by all standards of the faith a heretic. Still its nice to know that if my soul does exist in the form the Orthodoxy would have me believe, I can still influence its judgement when whatever end awaits me comes.

Humans must eventually break out from the limits of biology, its not radical to accept the inevitable.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2016-10-12 01:51:57 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
That seems a little foreboding in the long term. If clones are no longer inherently blasphemous in most circumstances, how long could the sacred flesh doctrine really hold up theologically? What would happen to a society like the Empire if Holders could rule indefinitely, without needing to pay regard to their wider family and succession?


It's a needle that needs threading (I don't think anybody wants a single, eternal Amarrian head of state), but that's probably already at least partially handled by the pre-existence of the sacred flesh doctrine.
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