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Twisted Monkey Boosters 15
Gears InMotion Twisted Monkey Boosters Likes received: 15	#1 - 2016-10-11 20:13:13 UTC Title says it all. This really seems like an exploit. A non covert-ops ship should not be able to cloak and warp to avoid being pointed. Just my opinion. Please discuss. EveBoosters.com - I'm buying Boosters and Booster Resources at Wholesale Prices in Bulk! Twisted Monkey Boosters on TWITTER

BlueWaffe 1,347
Lady Ayeipsia BlueWaffe Likes received: 1,347	#2 - 2016-10-11 20:21:29 UTC Lock faster, bubble better, or have a smart being BS ready at the other gate to pop them as they land.

Seavy Acquisitions 130
Dan Seavey Allier Seavy Acquisitions Likes received: 130	#3 - 2016-10-11 20:22:35 UTC 20 Well, off the top of my head I think there needs to be a counter for instalocking gate camps. This trick (mwd/ cloak) has saved my ass, and not executing it properly has cooked my ass. No everyone can do it , or do it well, or do it perfectly every time so "working as intended?" Dan Honey Never Sleeps. - John Russell

School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1,259
Aiwha School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 1,259	#4 - 2016-10-11 20:25:24 UTC 1 Its called a bubble. Sanity is fun leaving the body.

10,020
Paranoid Loyd Likes received: 10,020	#5 - 2016-10-11 20:26:54 UTC \| Edited by: Paranoid Loyd Lol, the tears would be glorious, it would also considerably hinder travel not to mention be a small buff to hauler ganking, so while you're not wrong, it's still a no. "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!

Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous 47,807
Scipio Artelius Weaponised Vegemite Flying Dangerous Likes received: 47,807	#6 - 2016-10-11 20:55:38 UTC 3 It's just a good use of mechanics. CCP even recognise it as nothing needing fixing: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits?flash_digest=6b1fe933009517f448183ec367b366bf58f754a6 See the bit towards the bottom about common misconceptions about exploits.

Daemun Khanid

Corbeau de sang

Likes received: 715

#7 - 2016-10-11 20:57:37 UTC | Edited by: Daemun Khanid

Repeatedly stated by ccp as working as intended. Much the same way as concord response and ganking tactics. Funny how both sides have tactics that work in their favor and both sides complain about the other sides "tricks."

There should always be methods and means by which to force combat through sufficient effort on the part of the well prepared aggressor but there should also always be ways to avoid combat for the well prepared traveler. As someone else already mentioned, you can catch mwd/cloak users you just need to get better/luckier at it if you've been unable to so far.

Cover the decloak range around gates w as many ships/drones as you can. As long as something is within 2500m they can't activate cloak and you = win. I've had npc police nearly get me killed so many times it's not funny because they were all over the gate and too close to me to activate my cloak.

Daemun of Khanid

Valkin Mordirc

Likes received: 2,991

#8 - 2016-10-11 21:12:13 UTC

Aiwha wrote:

Its called a bubble.

Bubbles only work in Nullsec herp a derp. Using a single area of the game as a reason for balance is stupid.

But the trick is semi difficult to pull of properly, and even being slightly off pulls you into insta lock territory, It's also possible to get close enough to the cloaked ship and decloak it before it warp.

#DeleteTheWeak

Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 6,913
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs Likes received: 6,913	#9 - 2016-10-11 21:13:38 UTC 1 A fix would require the removal of the velocity penalty on cloaks. That would mean all ships with a cloak bonus would also have to be rebalanced. Don't imagine that will happen.

SurrenderMonkey

State Protectorate

Caldari State

Likes received: 3,287

#10 - 2016-10-11 21:13:53 UTC

Gears InMotion wrote:

Title says it all.

This really seems like an exploit.

No, it doesn't.

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A non covert-ops ship should not be able to cloak and warp to avoid being pointed.

You're correct, they shouldn't. Fortunately, they already can't cloak and warp.

What they can do is cloak and ALIGN. They then must drop the cloak to initiate warp.

Working as intended, get good.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 919
Brokk Witgenstein Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 919	#11 - 2016-10-11 21:19:44 UTC It was probably unintended at first, but since it's still quite possible to decloak one before it aligns I'm in the 'no' camp. Call it a 'surprise mechanic' and go on with your life.

Litla Sundlaugin 654
Piugattuk Litla Sundlaugin Likes received: 654	#12 - 2016-10-11 21:20:04 UTC I've been working hard to become better at the mwd cloaky thing, it's still hit and miss, sometimes I get stuck with the mwd that doesn't shut down thus wrecking my time into warp, it's not the easiest thing to pull off consistently, mess up and your toast.

Queens of the Drone Age 2,734
Gregorius Goldstein Queens of the Drone Age Likes received: 2,734	#13 - 2016-10-11 21:25:51 UTC I don't get your point: Covert-ops ships can warp cloaked, non covert-ops ship can not. What some non covert-ops ships can do with the right MWD and good timing is drop cloak and warp after 1-2 seconds. If you see what they were alinged to you can try to warp there faster and wait for them at the other end of the warp tunnel.

El Expedicion Flames of Exile 368
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile Likes received: 368	#14 - 2016-10-11 22:31:34 UTC 3 Nah. It's a completely fair counter to gate camps that requires to camper to employ countermeasures, and puts both parties at odds in a test of mechanics knowledge and piloting skill.

Cristl

Likes received: 663

#15 - 2016-10-12 07:26:41 UTC

Piugattuk wrote:

I've been working hard to become better at the mwd cloaky thing, it's still hit and miss, sometimes I get stuck with the mwd that doesn't shut down thus wrecking my time into warp, it's not the easiest thing to pull off consistently, mess up and your toast.

If your MWD won't switch off then that's a bug to be reported.

You're not waiting till near the end of its cycle are you? You only pulse it once.

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Commander Spurty Likes received: 1,687	#16 - 2016-10-12 10:53:37 UTC Bring a bubbler and a competent decloaker. Do you live in noob-sec? No one cares about your attempts to pvp here, if that's the case. There are good ships, And wood ships, And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP

Princess Aiko Hold My Hand Safety. Net 4,111
Lan Wang Princess Aiko Hold My Hand Safety. Net Likes received: 4,111	#17 - 2016-10-12 11:41:49 UTC working as intended, get better at gatecamping Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

HIgh Sec Care Bears Brothers of Tangra 232
Zanar Skwigelf HIgh Sec Care Bears Brothers of Tangra Likes received: 232	#18 - 2016-10-12 14:15:40 UTC Weren't the T1 haulers rebalanced around whether they could cloak MWD or not? I remember reading that the smaller t1 ships could do it while the larger ones could not was an intended change.

Deep Space Exploration And Exploitation 2,466
Alhira Katserna Deep Space Exploration And Exploitation Likes received: 2,466	#19 - 2016-10-12 18:01:41 UTC 5 Tears InMotion?

Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 229
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation Likes received: 229	#20 - 2016-10-13 12:55:48 UTC It is not as overpowered as the cloak + MJD trick. After 5 seconds the cloak disables with this trick but you could make a command dessy unkillable this way.