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Please Critisize my Fittings

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Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#1 - 2016-10-11 05:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
Hello,

I'm working as fittings manager for a new start up corporation. The world of fittings and modules is quite daunting, and difficult to get my head around. But essentially, I'd like someone to have a look at these two fittings and give some constructive criticism.

For my corporations mining barge fleet I have been opted for the Procurer in most scenarios. The aim really is to make it "un-gankable". With two different fits. One for HiSec and one for LowSec. Which are as follows. The surplus fittings are usually carried in the cargo hold so that the one ship can be quickly reconfigured for the required mission. Of course tech II strip miners and crystals can be substituted as skills allow. According to https://o.smium.org They both have an estimated HP of 44.3k. Power grid is 89% and CPU 70% on max skills.

Quote:
[Procurer, Barge - HiSec]

Mining Laser Upgrade I
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Shield Extender I
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner

Modulated Strip Miner I
Modulated Strip Miner I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Acolyte I x5
Mining Drone I x4
Salvage Drone I x1


Quote:
[Procurer, Barge - LowSec]

Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I

Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Shield Extender I
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Cetus Scoped Burst Jammer

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Modulated Strip Miner I
Modulated Strip Miner I

Acolyte I x5
Mining Drone I x4
Salvage Drone I x1



So my questions are as follows:
1. What can these ships handle?
2. Would you take the second one into LowSec?
2. What changes would you recommend?

Thanks.
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#2 - 2016-10-11 11:09:06 UTC
The first one looks pretty good for high sec. One thing to remember is that *most* ganking is done in catalyst which deal thermal/kinetic damage, so the em resist wouldn't help there. That said, it's not often that someone will even bother trying to gank a proc.

As for the second one, I personally don't see any point in mining in low. There is virtually no reason to do so. That said, if you have enough, fitting them for drones can be a wicked surprise to anyone who comes to gank you. Have one ship fit with a sensor booster and a target painter, and have the other ship assign their drones to this ship. If an unfriendly lands, have it lock it and target paint it. The combined dps of a number of proc drones can kill quite a few ships if caught unprepared.

Again though, I wouldn't bother trying to mine in low, it's just not worth it.

P.S. Usually the salvage drone isn't worth it. Just go with 5 mining drones as you'll get more isk out of the ore than you would out of any salvage.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2016-10-11 11:21:30 UTC
Yeah I asked the lowsec miners and neither of them think it's a good fit.

On a serious note, lowsec mining isn't worth the effort,
if you don't get murdered on the way in you're likely to be murdered shortly thereafter.
Stabs will only help you some of the time, anyone with a faction scram or a navy malus or a hic will catch you regardless.

If you're set on dangerous content go huff gass with a venture in wormholes.
As dangerous but with much better payoff if you get back alive.
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#4 - 2016-10-11 11:30:41 UTC
Thanks for the advice. I did of course decide not to install tech II fittings on these Procurers - mainly to balance the cost vs. benefit. IMO tech II fittings belong on tech II ships. They also increase the training requirements, and that makes the fittings inaccessible for newer miners.

That being said, if double warp stabs + burst jammer isn't enough to stop a warp disruption attack, I might steer clear of using them in solo low sec missions.

As for the EM shield hardening, Procurer (like most other ships) has a low EM resistance on shield. So considering that ORE ships prefer shield tank I installed that module to "close the gap". Though I still have one module slot free - I might consider adding thermal hardening as well.

Thank you.
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#5 - 2016-10-11 14:24:33 UTC
I do a decent amount of mining in LS (yes I know it's not incredibly profitable, but this is a game. I enjoy it).

Use a prospect. you get nearly the same yield as a procurer, and are next to uncatchable.
Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-10-11 14:46:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrix Foster
TBH OP, I would make the following changes:

First fit for a procurer is better (for high sec) if you change out the afterburner for another invulnerability field, also change the EM shield for another core defence shield extentender plus swap the acolytes for hobgoblins.

Generally low sec mining is a fool's errand unless in a Prospect which is mentioned above....cat & mouse game there.

Second fit is a no-no really...thb.

If you are well tanked then mining drones are OK.

Warp stabs are hit and miss in low sec....and mining in low sec is foolish in a barge
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2016-10-11 15:35:25 UTC
yeah its not that the second one is bad, it isnt.
its the concept of low-sec mining in a barge.

if you get war decked now that second one would be fine
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#8 - 2016-10-12 04:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
Yea, our corp has had some Procurers entering into low sec. These experiences haven't ended well. Needing the rarer ores we have sent miners into lowsec for Jaspet. Though, this is normally done by posting a Venture at an NPC station. Usually, I'll keep this character in system, and if there is a strong PvP presence I dock up and log off. The loss of a Venture being rather minimal compared to the value of Ore which it can bring in. It does need to be said that lowsec mining is a lot more fun - simply because of the risks involved.

The kind of operation I was considering the Procurer for would be a mining gang operation, escorted by a wing of combat ships, which would clear the rats and provide escort against PvP threats.
Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-10-13 23:35:05 UTC
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Needing the rarer ores we have sent miners into lowsec for Jaspet.


Mining in LowSec is bad idea. If you want jaspet, mine Veldspar (in hisec), sell it, and buy the ores you missing.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#10 - 2016-10-14 00:50:45 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
Use a prospect. you get nearly the same yield as a procurer, and are next to uncatchable.

You can also use the Prospect to mine in WH's which have better ore's than low.


elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#11 - 2016-10-14 01:05:19 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
I do a decent amount of mining in LS (yes I know it's not incredibly profitable, but this is a game. I enjoy it).

Use a prospect. you get nearly the same yield as a procurer, and are next to uncatchable.


What he said.

In addition to that and what I forgot the last time I advertised the use of the mining frigates is that the Endurance even has room for a probe launcher.
You may not warp cloaked but you can cloak the second you land.

For both mining frigates the following facts may be interesting. After some playtime with the both of them, do not fit any laser upgrades to the Prospect, since the increased yield will come back to bite you, meaning the Prospect and the Venture are designed to not have mining laser upgrades fitted.

You can use 2x ice harvesting upgrades of the Endurance because ice is ice and always 1000m³ in size, so the ice mining upgrades will reduce the time you need to get your 15 ice to around 14 minutes and a few seconds.

In case you fit mining laser upgrades to the frigates, you get into a "half-cycle" that overfills your ore-bay and you loose a few drops of ore.

I think over-filling the bay is worse that waiting for the last cycle to complete. Both frigates and the Venture will have filled the ore-bay with the last completed cycle.

If you like the frigates as much as I do, always have a depot with you, so you can adjust to your mining-lust. Have gas-harvesters, mining lasers and deep-core mining lasers + a few mining crystals with you and 2x ice-mining upgrades for the Endurance.

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