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Destination: Hypercube Hell

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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2016-10-10 13:15:47 UTC
Thor is interested in my cabal.

This I know because he refers to it as cabalic.

That means it makes Him sick.

So now I am sick too!

He was sent after being put to sleep to Oberon's Black Wood.

This all after being bitten by His Father to transmit werewolf syndrome.

Orion and Fenrir await Thor's explorations in search of a shield maiden.

I fly Minmatar for these reasons.

I use nano tape but Thor calls it duct tape.

It is an SSD the likes of which I have never seen.

Before you call me crazy let me explain babies.

The Dead Babies are a fighter wing Peter Pan put together.

They are Cherubs and they war Cherubim.

Angels.

Thor is a dead human being.

Thou shalt know shield maiden therapy?

Thor sounded like a headless horseman.

That akin to Satan.

I introduced Him to Helena Christ of the Galactic Regime.

She said here she was intra-dimensional.

The S.S. Odenknights Saint Knights ULTRA lighthugger cathedral

She said I can make that witch show you what Jesus wants to.

Mastodons are prehistoric scooby snacks for terraformers.

Oberon is a stickler so Thor will be among decent druids.

I flew my ship too close to an apparition of Planet 12.

It claimed to have lost control of dimensional travel drives and to stay clear.

I told it I was Dr. Who so I could board.

I have these Archives of Amarrian Data I steal from hives.

Dr. Who was a legend from primal times.

They documented his escapades.

It is shot after he has finished his plots.

A martyr every time.

No sense of duty.

Gallefrey.

Hypercube Hell is a box of souls.

It rises and falls to

Gravity Factor - Mirth = Ascension

The number of souls are not relevant in this equation.

Once you find bliss the elevation is negated.

-ottout
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-10-10 13:47:05 UTC
You are still crazy.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Yarosara Ruil
#3 - 2016-10-10 13:51:40 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
You are still crazy.


Mister Ephesianos makes me look sane in comparison.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#4 - 2016-10-10 14:37:53 UTC
Nice choice of ships, one question though.... What's a hypercube? I know it's "a box of souls," but is it equating to something else or is it litterally an item?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-10-10 15:50:53 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Nice choice of ships, one question though.... What's a hypercube? I know it's "a box of souls," but is it equating to something else or is it litterally an item?


Also known as a tesseract. It's two connected parallel cubes. It has, eh, quite a number of variations. Just thinking about the hypercube makes me want a drink.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2016-10-10 15:53:40 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Nice choice of ships, one question though.... What's a hypercube? I know it's "a box of souls," but is it equating to something else or is it litterally an item?


Also known as a tesseract. It's two connected parallel cubes. It has, eh, quite a number of variations. Just thinking about the hypercube makes me want a drink.

Ahh, that I know of.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#7 - 2016-10-10 17:19:26 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
What's a hypercube?


A Hypercube is the N-dimensional equivalent of a Square and a Cube. A Square can be considered a 2-dimensional Hypercube, and a cube is a 3-dimensional Hypercube. A Zero-dimensional hypercube is a Point, and a One-dimensional hypercube is a Line.

The most well Known hypercube is the 4-dimensional 4-cube, or Tesseract.

Attempting to Visualise the Tesseract may cause Discomfort or Headaches in human People.

There are other 4-dimensional Shapes, some of which are Important in Theology, such as the 4-dimensional Hyperpyramid, or Pentachoron.

Do Not Attempt To Visualise the Pentachoron Without Supervision.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#8 - 2016-10-10 19:51:17 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Nice choice of ships, one question though.... What's a hypercube? I know it's "a box of souls," but is it equating to something else or is it litterally an item?


Also known as a tesseract. It's two connected parallel cubes. It has, eh, quite a number of variations. Just thinking about the hypercube makes me want a drink.



Ah, no it's not. You may think that because of the common projections, looks something like this, but you have to realize that that is a 2-dimensional projection of a 3-dimensional projection of a 4-dimensional object. It's as much information as you'd get at looking at a shadow of an object--from the flat edge.

You know how a square is the space bounded by 4 lines? And how a cube is the space bounded by 6 squares? Well, a tesseract is the space bounded by 8 cubes.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#9 - 2016-10-10 20:02:24 UTC
Neph wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Nice choice of ships, one question though.... What's a hypercube? I know it's "a box of souls," but is it equating to something else or is it litterally an item?


Also known as a tesseract. It's two connected parallel cubes. It has, eh, quite a number of variations. Just thinking about the hypercube makes me want a drink.



Ah, no it's not. You may think that because of the common projections, looks something like this, but you have to realize that that is a 2-dimensional projection of a 3-dimensional projection of a 4-dimensional object. It's as much information as you'd get at looking at a shadow of an object--from the flat edge.

You know how a square is the space bounded by 4 lines? And how a cube is the space bounded by 6 squares? Well, a tesseract is the space bounded by 8 cubes.

So...... An octahedron made of cubes?
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2016-10-10 20:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Deitra Vess wrote:
Neph wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Nice choice of ships, one question though.... What's a hypercube? I know it's "a box of souls," but is it equating to something else or is it litterally an item?


Also known as a tesseract. It's two connected parallel cubes. It has, eh, quite a number of variations. Just thinking about the hypercube makes me want a drink.



Ah, no it's not. You may think that because of the common projections, looks something like this, but you have to realize that that is a 2-dimensional projection of a 3-dimensional projection of a 4-dimensional object. It's as much information as you'd get at looking at a shadow of an object--from the flat edge.

You know how a square is the space bounded by 4 lines? And how a cube is the space bounded by 6 squares? Well, a tesseract is the space bounded by 8 cubes.

So...... An octahedron made of cubes?

All of the cubes are adjacent to six of the other cubes (ie each of the cubes has a cube sat perfectly on each of its faces).

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2016-10-10 20:34:49 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Neph wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Nice choice of ships, one question though.... What's a hypercube? I know it's "a box of souls," but is it equating to something else or is it litterally an item?


Also known as a tesseract. It's two connected parallel cubes. It has, eh, quite a number of variations. Just thinking about the hypercube makes me want a drink.



Ah, no it's not. You may think that because of the common projections, looks something like this, but you have to realize that that is a 2-dimensional projection of a 3-dimensional projection of a 4-dimensional object. It's as much information as you'd get at looking at a shadow of an object--from the flat edge.

You know how a square is the space bounded by 4 lines? And how a cube is the space bounded by 6 squares? Well, a tesseract is the space bounded by 8 cubes.

So...... An octahedron made of cubes?

All of the cubes are adjacent to six of the other cubes (ie each of the cubes has a cube sat perfectly on each of its faces).

Ooh! A cube of cubes basically!
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2016-10-10 21:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Deitra Vess wrote:
Ooh! A cube of cubes basically!


Sort of? If I understand it correctly, if you constructed one it would look like a single cube at a glance but have the most bizarre properties.

I wonder if maybe that's why Drifter Elements seem ... unreal. If they were objects in contact with with more than just our normal four dimensions (3 + time), there might be a lot of them we can't observe at all.

(Disclaimer: I'm not even a little bit a mathematician or physicist. If someone knows better, I'd really like to get to understand this.)
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2016-10-10 22:05:02 UTC
Makes more sense than any theory I'd come up with...
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-10-10 22:56:09 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
What's a hypercube?


A Hypercube is the N-dimensional equivalent of a Square and a Cube. A Square can be considered a 2-dimensional Hypercube, and a cube is a 3-dimensional Hypercube. A Zero-dimensional hypercube is a Point, and a One-dimensional hypercube is a Line.

The most well Known hypercube is the 4-dimensional 4-cube, or Tesseract.

Attempting to Visualise the Tesseract may cause Discomfort or Headaches in human People.

There are other 4-dimensional Shapes, some of which are Important in Theology, such as the 4-dimensional Hyperpyramid, or Pentachoron.

Do Not Attempt To Visualise the Pentachoron Without Supervision.

Pentachoron is actually easier to visualize, because it is not just a typical pyramid, but an analog of tetrahedron in 4 dimensions, or 4-dimensional simplex.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#15 - 2016-10-11 01:14:13 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Ooh! A cube of cubes basically!


Sort of? If I understand it correctly, if you constructed one it would look like a single cube at a glance but have the most bizarre properties.

I wonder if maybe that's why Drifter Elements seem ... unreal. If they were objects in contact with with more than just our normal four dimensions (3 + time), there might be a lot of them we can't observe at all.

(Disclaimer: I'm not even a little bit a mathematician or physicist. If someone knows better, I'd really like to get to understand this.)


Sometimes, if it's rotated the right way (along a four-dimensional plane).

See, lines can't rotate. I mean, they kind of can, but only when they're in two dimensions. When they're just in a one-dimensional line universe, they cannot.

Flat 2D shapes can rotate around a (0D) point.

3-dimensional objects may be rotated around various (1D) line axes.

A 4-dimesional object rotates about planes. That makes no sense to us.

Here's another example:

If you have a cube, you can hold it before a light such that it casts a square shadow. This is face-centered, because one of the faces will directly face the lamp.

Also, you can hold it so that it casts a rectangular shadow. To do this, you must turn it such that an edge faces the lamp. This is edge-centered.

If you turn it again, a vertex will face the light, and it will cast a hexagonal shadow.

Now, to some poor flat 2-dimensional creature, they will observe a square magically becoming a rectangle. And then a hexagon. What witchcraft is this.

So my point is, a tesseract may appear to be a cube. But then it may be turned and it will seem to become another object. You can begin to visualize this with practice. I figured it out.

Honestly 4 and n-dimensional constructs are more useful to deal with when not trying to visualize them. For example, a good deal of my research dealt in solving certain warped 6-dimesional spaces, because we were working with Z^3, that is, 3-dimensional complex space. And that was before we warped and folded it. You don't even bother trying to visualize that.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#16 - 2016-10-11 15:52:58 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Ooh! A cube of cubes basically!


A hyper-cube if you will
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#17 - 2016-10-14 05:12:27 UTC
You have a point.

Extend that point along the first dimension, and you have a line.

Extend that line along the second dimension, and you have a square.

Extend the square along the third dimension, it becomes a cube.

Extend the cube along the fourth dimension, it becomes a tesseract.

Extend the tesseract along the fifth dimension, it's now a 5-cube.

And so on and so forth. Generally speaking, hypercubes of dimension greater than 3, rarely feature in most people's daily lives. Even for capsuleers using the warp drive, or cynosural fields and the Jump drive, or traversing wormholes, hypercubes only feature in the theories behind the design of the hardware, and one does not need to know all of the theory to operate the hardware.

Sansha's Nation cheese tesseracts though, are pretty tasty, even if they are weird looking.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-10-14 15:14:12 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
You have a point.

Extend that point along the first dimension, and you have a line.

Extend that line along the second dimension, and you have a square.

Extend the square along the third dimension, it becomes a cube.

Extend the cube along the fourth dimension, it becomes a tesseract.

Extend the tesseract along the fifth dimension, it's now a 5-cube.

And so on and so forth. Generally speaking, hypercubes of dimension greater than 3, rarely feature in most people's daily lives. Even for capsuleers using the warp drive, or cynosural fields and the Jump drive, or traversing wormholes, hypercubes only feature in the theories behind the design of the hardware, and one does not need to know all of the theory to operate the hardware.

Sansha's Nation cheese tesseracts though, are pretty tasty, even if they are weird looking.

Well, you have a point. But still pentachoron is easier.

You have a point.
Add a dimension and put another point, connect that points, and you have a line.
Add a dimension and put another point not on that line, connect the points and you have a triangle.
Add a dimension and put another point not in the plane of triangle, connect the points and you have a tetrahedron.
Add a dimension and put another point in 4D space, laying outside of the 3D 'hypersurface' where your tetrahedron stands, connect all the points and you have a pentachoron.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#19 - 2016-10-14 18:54:32 UTC
Who says you can't actually learn something on the IGS...
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#20 - 2016-10-17 00:04:07 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
You have a point.

Extend that point along the first dimension, and you have a line.

Extend that line along the second dimension, and you have a square.

Extend the square along the third dimension, it becomes a cube.

Extend the cube along the fourth dimension, it becomes a tesseract.

Extend the tesseract along the fifth dimension, it's now a 5-cube.

And so on and so forth. Generally speaking, hypercubes of dimension greater than 3, rarely feature in most people's daily lives. Even for capsuleers using the warp drive, or cynosural fields and the Jump drive, or traversing wormholes, hypercubes only feature in the theories behind the design of the hardware, and one does not need to know all of the theory to operate the hardware.

Sansha's Nation cheese tesseracts though, are pretty tasty, even if they are weird looking.

Well, you have a point. But still pentachoron is easier.

You have a point.
Add a dimension and put another point, connect that points, and you have a line.
Add a dimension and put another point not on that line, connect the points and you have a triangle.
Add a dimension and put another point not in the plane of triangle, connect the points and you have a tetrahedron.
Add a dimension and put another point in 4D space, laying outside of the 3D 'hypersurface' where your tetrahedron stands, connect all the points and you have a pentachoron.


This is beautiful and a far better way to explain it. I'm stealing this from now on, if I may.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka