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Aspen Neva

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#1 - 2016-10-08 14:07:04 UTC | Edited by: Aspen Neva

Dear all,

I come to thee to seek some wisdom as I am a returning eve player and trying to figure out a good core pvp ship to complete my roster and have fun with.

Purpose/Objective:

Attack anything Small & Medium size
Have fun in a non-meta ship by using Missiles & Shield
My roster already have 6m isk, 35m isk. Require a 60m isk ship.
Environement: solo & small gang, no links, in null & low.

Restrictions:

Does not requires Gunnery
Does not requires Armor
Total price including implants near 60m

My Character has:

Missiles, Shield & Drones = all V
Gunnery & Armor = 0
Race = no restriction
isk income = 25m isk/h (Lv4 mission)

Looking forward to hear from you.

Kerensky Initiatives 13,374
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives Likes received: 13,374	#2 - 2016-10-08 16:02:14 UTC Why don't you suggest a fit that matches your weirdly specific criteria and we'll be happy to critique :) Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log

Cyclone Organic

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 4

#3 - 2016-10-08 21:35:23 UTC

Try to start from Caracal with HLM or HAM- good dmg application to small slize and cheap!!!

Then if you fight for Caldari state FW, maybe you can think about Osprey Navy issue with rapid light+ kitting fit.

And if you prefer small ships, try Malediction or Vengeance. ops forget this, you don't have amor skill.

Btw, minmatar destroyer could be another good option but it works better in small gang or defense.

Robot Robot

Plate of Beans Incorporated

Likes received: 81

#4 - 2016-10-09 22:14:39 UTC | Edited by: Robot Robot

You are looking for the Cyclone.

I just threw this together in like 20 seconds and I would be excited to fly it:

[Cyclone, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

Valkyrie II x5

480dps and a 438dps tank, without overheating anything.

Andrew Indy

Cleaning Crew

Likes received: 291

#5 - 2016-10-10 08:06:39 UTC

Robot Robot wrote:

You are looking for the Cyclone.

I just threw this together in like 20 seconds and I would be excited to fly it:

Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

without overheating anything.

If you are running ASBs you should overheat every cycle. They last for ages (like an hour) so burning them out before you run out of chargers is pretty much impossible.

Along the same lines as your fit, you get a less neut power but more range, more tank (1030 over heat with both going vs 1187 with a single XL overheated) and 6K more buffer. Much of a muchness.

[Cyclone, PVP XL ASB]

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Warp Disruptor II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Aspen Neva

Likes received: 1

#6 - 2016-10-10 10:53:22 UTC

Aweome ! I really like both your fits ! I will try them out.

I was actually keeping an eye on cyclone but I wanted to see if people would bring that ship up. I'm very glad you guys did.

Now what do you do if you are under constant pressure and the xasb is reloading ? Buffer is bigger thanks to the second invul, but wouldn't using two lasb help more ? will need to try both.

Robot Robot wrote:

You are looking for the Cyclone.

I just threw this together in like 20 seconds and I would be excited to fly it:

[Cyclone, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

Valkyrie II x5

480dps and a 438dps tank, without overheating anything.

Andrew Indy wrote:

Gregorius Goldstein

Queens of the Drone Age

Likes received: 2,734

#7 - 2016-10-10 11:22:37 UTC | Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein

Do I get thid right: The Cyclone is kind of the PVP variant of the Drake? Drake is made for endless PVE fights and Cyclone is made for short encounters with a massive activ tank? But both are using shield and missiles...

The Jackdaw is to expensive with a 40M hull? Guess you cant fit it with only 20M? Asking because it looks like an awsome PVP boat to me.

Tung Yoggi

University of Caille

Likes received: 162

#8 - 2016-10-10 12:36:18 UTC

To apply your HAM damage, you need to pin down the target. If no one can do this job for you, then you need to lean towards this kind of fitting (scramble + web):

Quote:

[Cyclone, Unnamed loadout]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
IFFA Compact Damage Control

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Energy Nosferatu II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

The two fittings that were submitted lack application (your paper DPS will never be reached) and had a few other issues, even if they were overall coherent.

Due to the proliferation of T3Ds, you can also try this version which shouldn't have any issue dealing with smaller ships, while having a really strong tank:

Quote:

[Cyclone, Unnamed loadout]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Don't forget drones and buy yourself a blue pill booster or two.

Aspen Neva

Likes received: 1

#9 - 2016-10-10 12:58:43 UTC | Edited by: Aspen Neva

Thanks for the infos and variants.

The web instead of a second invul seems like great upgrade.

Tung Yoggi wrote:

To apply your HAM damage, you need to pin down the target. If no one can do this job for you, then you need to lean towards this kind of fitting (scramble + web):

Quote:

The two fittings that were submitted lack application (your paper DPS will never be reached) and had a few other issues, even if they were overall coherent.

(...)

Perkone Caldari State 16
Riven Varlass Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 16	#10 - 2016-10-14 07:54:03 UTC \| Edited by: Riven Varlass I would use the light missile fit. Heavy assault missiles simply do not apply well enough with the current meta in my opinion.

Ships & Modules

Kerensky Initiatives

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

Plate of Beans Incorporated

Cleaning Crew

Queens of the Drone Age

University of Caille

Perkone

Caldari State