EVE General Discussion

Why can't you just bump him back? Surely you can bump his orca or freighter back in return. You can even bump the miners.

Also, if you don't want to face the competition, you could always move somewhere else. There's going to be countless great alternative places you could choose to move to where there is less competition.

I'm not sure suicide ganking was intended to be profitable at any point of time. And if you make ISK other way then you have no 'practically ungankable' stuff.

It is even more possible in this case when people competing for resources. Then expence for ganking can be looked at as investment.

Is this guy in a NPC corp? If not, this is what wardecs are for.

After spending a year running missions and such I joined Faction Warfare when it was first introduced. I think it's still a very good stepping stone into pvp. There are high sec mercenary groups but I don't know much about joining them. Then of course there are the new pvp'r friendly groups mostly in null. Pandemic Horde, Brave Newbies, my own Alliance (TEST) has several newbro friendly groups, so do Goons and others.

And hell, you don't even have to join anything, frigates and destroyers and cheap and low sec is free lol.

It's easier now to jump into pvp than it ever was, just have to do it.

Ok, so here is an example of what you can do:

join faction warfare and get some frigate you like. Then check the killboards and ask in corp chat for some example fitting. Fit it the way you think it makes sense, insure it and go out there until it dies.

After it died you analyse what went wrong. You adjust the fitting, read up on stuff you did not understand and then you go out there again. Also very important, try to contact your killer, say gf and ask them what you did wrong. They will most likely help you improve a lot faster than you would on your own and even provide their favoured fits. Also this is a good way to find a nice corp, because people out there are looking for this kind of player and not for some crybabies who curses them for blowing up their pixle spaceships :-)

These are the type of players that CCP markets too -- They will do nothing. You will have to move to another system. If you like to mine I would suggest considering moving to a worm hole. I'm sure you could find a small WH industry corp, or one that simply rents space or if you have enough Isk you could find a system and put up your own citadel.

While it may seem more dangerous as there is no 'local' as a early warning system (use dscan) and no concord you will find players that frequent WH space are not interested in harassing you on a daily basis. They will just attack . There was a time in my eve career where that's all I did was mine in HS. I can tell you from my experience you will deal with far less griefers in the hole and be much more profitable.

Orbit the ice, it's very hard to hit a moving target. The only problem is you have to pay attention to the game as your ship will drift off into the distance when the chunk of ice is gone.

Not really CCP's fault. Players are becoming more efficient at their specialisations too. Ice miners have optimised their fleets, gankers have optimised their fittings. Chances are if you are in a belt long enough, you will get blown up and sometimes podded.

No, Concord protects bumpers and that's why I can't understand the butthurt when they say stuff like
"Say thanks to all the highsec carebears who cried so hard year after year so that CCP removed all options and made it possible to create practically ungankable mining fleets."

Bumpers are only in highsec for a reason, Concord protection.

So usually the discussion goes like this:

If the ganker kills a mining ship then:
- CONCORD is too weak and does not really protect the mining ship
- There are no real consequences for criminal actions
- Sec status is meaningless
- Killrights are meaningless
- Low value ships killing high value ships is not balanced
- Ganking is too easy and only scrubs who would fails at realPVP™ do it

If the miner wants to kill a bumper then:
- CONCORD is too strong and protecting the bumper!
- Can't attack because consequences are too stronk!
- My precious sec status!
- They will even get a killright and I will not be able to undock a ship FOR A MONTH!
- I will lose ISK if I gank the bumper because ganking ships are so expensive!
- I don't even know where to start, ganking is too hard and everyone will just shoot me!!

I actually thought about starting a mining operation myself recently, because if an ice system is left to itself there are fleets of miners stripping the new anomany in a hour or two, there seams to be competition around ice but only on the level of who mines more faster. Yet when I warp in with my scout, half the people dock immediately and the rest after one or two of their firends exploded. If there is a skiff fleet left you can easily get rid of them by bumping their Orca out.

So I am not surprised this is actually starting to happen. I think it is a really good strategy to kill/bump your competition and get all the ice for yourself. On the other hand I find it quite ironic that miners now cry how they can do nothing about those competitive miners because they actually locked themselves out of the tools to actually fight the guy with their constant demands for more safety. So excuse me when I point at them and laugh