EVE General Discussion

Perhaps the greatest injustice in EVE is the belief that unless you join those who already have, you can never build your own. This lie has been pushed upon newbros for as long as I can remember. The entire history of EVE online has been an intricate game of whoever happens to be on top at the time. The most recent being the destruction of the imperium. It has been nothing more than the self-proclaimed elite pvp gods of EVE in any random nullsec power bloc they happen to be in to control new players before they have the chance to set out and try and create their own sandbox. New people with New agendas are a threat to the status quo. You see, the big alliances of EVE actually have no interest in substantial conflict. If they did they would be committing to each other’s complete destruction far more substantially. Instead we see things like covering the anchoring of each other’s keepstars in lowsec as an example. What are they going to do with it? Sit there and stockpile more and more and more supers that they won’t use on anything other than a quick gank here and there.


I come from Galmil, but I have a long history of conflict in both nullsec and lowsec over the 10 years I have been playing this great game. Our biggest neighbors are Calmil, Snuffed Out, Chaos, TBC, and Shadow Cartel to name a few. The sheer amount of collaboration between some of them and this is just an observation, leads me to believe that those of them who have supers, have no interest in using them and inherently risking them in an actual fight. A fight which if not interfered with could be glorious. The main reason being the fun police. Two evenly matched opponents drop an even amount of supers and decide to duke it out. Some group like PL or NC. With absolutely no interest in the outcome of the fight what so ever will come in with 5x the amount either of the others can field wipe them, go home, and pat themselves on the back like they actually accomplished something.


To you large power blocks out there I am calling you out on your crap! You eliminated the Imperium because they were crushing the game and had the audacity to call yourselves “The Allies”. To be doing it for the good of the game, but when the goal is more or less achieved, you turn right around and crush the rest of us with an unwritten “Big Blue Donut”. Instead of going after people who have no hope of matching you go after someone who can. NC. You should attack PL, or vice versa. SC and Snuff, you two should duke it out and see who’s better. And I mean GO ALL OUT! Cull some of those game killing supers you spent way, wayyyyyy to much money on. You don’t even have to eliminate each other’s income sources because god knows you can replace your losses very quickly, but it would be the top tier content your member base so desperately craves. And while you’re doing it those in the tier under you can flourish in engagements that they can handle!


As the most powerful alliances in the game you have the responsibility to ensure you are not crushing the life out of it at the same time. Your good old boy system is absolutely crushing anybody else from advancing because any time they reach a level high enough to be on your radar you assemble Voltron amongst you and demolish them. And then you have the audacity to push newbros into your cannon fodder alliances like Pandemic Horde. We all know you don’t give a Sh**t about those pilots. You use them to screen off your massive epeens and do most of the dying while you rub each other’s backs on whatever stupid campaign you’ve come up with now. It’s gotten so bad you have to make up pointless campaigns to keep your member base who is starved for content entertained before they log off and go catatonic for another 3 months.

To all players I say this, if you have a super or a titan, don’t just join people who already have them for fear of losing it. Join an organization that is competent and on the cusp of reaching that level. Otherwise you just reinforce the big blue donut. Conflict is what makes the game fun.

What NC. Did to Horde for simply trying to roam and have fun is DISGRACEFUL and showcases the exact kind of toxic bullcrap one has come to expect from these “top tier alliances”. To everyone in these huge alliances especially everyone in Horde, I tell you there are other things you can do, and other people you can disperse amongst who will actually care for you. You can also get groups of people you like, and make your own corporations and find a place. Nullsec is NOT the only place where good conflict exists despite what people would have you believe. Huge swaths of lowsec are currently unoccupied just waiting for a master. Assemble your teams and go take them. You don’t have to have the backing of a massive capital fleet in order to have fun. And you certainly don’t need some egotistical bitter vets tell you that you can’t go out and find a fight.
Now you all watch and see, the typical response to this will be “who are you” and “sounds like someone is mad” or any other typical troll response, but they won’t ever actually do anything healthy for the game and will always stick to their blue donuts because “Oh noes I can’t risk my big expensive space ship it might die.” Welcome to Eve. Now go smash your Titans into each other and prove you aren’t cowards. /rantoff

*puffs cigar*
*turns head to look at the bar*

Barkeep! Another bottle!! This one has potential!!

*puffs cigar again and smiles through the smoke*

https://zkillboard.com/character/95552509/

Probably an alt of a toon in a major powerbloc.

Yea, I'm calling all of you out for your coalitions, and your batphones, and your buddy systems.

Smash some space ships together and make things explode.

You have NO response to what I said because I roasted them ALL!

They are arrogant and what NC. did to Horde proves they believe they can monopolize fun. It's not just them either and I am calling

them out on it!

When we're talking about the financial resources these alliances have losing supers is CHUMP CHANGE. #alreadyreplaced.

Every SINGLE newbro in horde should quit and go somewhere else. They pidgeon hole these people into thinking if they go anywhere else they'll always be garbage and it's just not true.

And then to do what NC. did to them is just disgusting for them just trying to play the game. You can call it a rant but it's brutally honest. Every single one of the FCs from these huge alliances has an entire network of batphones and friends to call upon to always stack the odds in their favor and crush out the little guy trying to come up.

They should fight each other and stop being so buddy buddy. It is soul crushing for the big picture pvp ecosystem.

Oh and looks like you're another alt. Post on your main and don't be a coward.

You are playing a sandbox game.

Within the collective "most powerful alliances" you mentioned, each of them have markedly different ideas of what is fun, what is their end game, what they do each day when the log in, etc. From within, it's very easy to see the distinctions that may seem extremely subtle or non-existent to you. And within each of those alliances, the individual players also have their differences in how they play the game.

Rather than rejecting the paths that are not yours, embrace and appreciate the diversity the game has to offer.

After B-R, didn't it take both sides something like 4-5 months to replace all the supers they lost? That isn't exactly chump change.



This is speculation on my part, but probably half of Hoard, at least, are ratters and carebears. No API checks, a semi-decent area to rat in with built-up systems, semi-defensible, and with a pretty solid way to entice people to fleet up against roaming gangs. They probably don't care one way or the other about the war or the blue DD, only the size of their next tick or the price of the ABC's.




You used the right word, but you apparently missed the significance of it. It's called "Networking." Even I technically have batphones available, and I'm just an industrialist who's a nobody as far as the big entities are concerned. Chat with folks often and work with them, though, and you'll find that "Connections" isn't just a character skill.

The fact that it only took them a few months to recoup is a testament to how much isk they actually pull in.

Regardless of where hordelings come from, for what happened to them to even happen in the name of preventing healthy fun fighting is absolutely absurd.

As to your third point, imagine if huge alliances fought their OWN battles, on all sides. Wouldn't that be a sight. N+1 is lame, in all its forms.

a few ways of looking at it if they have large war it would stand to reason some would give up and stop playing , also the power some would loose it , also a few would loose sales from ebay .
do think its a no brainer the status quo

MP - we're playing political and economic simulator, set in space, some people fly ships and stuff.

Supers are the equivalent of nuclear weapons in RL, a deterrent used to leverage diplomatic relationships with little tactical application. It's a simple fact that preventing the proliferation outside of direct political control secures those currently in power, what motivation exists to give this up?

In RL, you could appeal to the people of a country to rise up against their evil nuke wielding government or you could usurp said government through political channels. Either which way, whatever the result, there would still be a stockpile of nukes sitting around. What are you going to do? Hand them round to everyone and say 'we're all equal now, here do what you want with this' or just fire them into the Sun and allow your rivals to hold all of the cards? No, i don't think so.


Back to the game, supers only have tactical value in a few circumstances. You're in FW, they don't fit in medium plexes, they can't kill your stations or influence the WZ, however the strategic deterrent will stop you from fielding large cap fleets within jump range of an entity that has them. Plenty of options to mitigate this tbh.

None of this has ever changed, there's always been a bogeyman keeping everyone else in check until an entity rises to topple them, since everyone got space aids it's just a bit more local now.

TL:DR: This is all just about Supers, did you buy one and Snuff rejected your application or something?

No man, I saw what NC. did to Horde and had to say something. It has far less to do with supers and more to do with a toxic culture who thinks they can have a monopoly on fun. When you take advantage of new players and pigeon hole them into a cannon fodder alliance like horde, and then take away their content by force at the push of a button, you are a crappy, giant troll who deserves no respect and needs to be called out on the bs.

The other part of this is calling them out for creating yet another BIG BLUE DONUT WHERE NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL EVER DIES. It is risk aversion on a macro scale.

I don't want to lose anything expensive so I am going to get buddy buddy with anyone who can inflict damage upon me and go beat up on all the little guys. It's cancer and should be named as such.