EVE General Discussion

Trust me, I'm doing all I can to make sure they are as informed and aware as possible during this war. Not all of them are willing to fight, but they can stay alive if they keep their wits about them and play smart. This post was a call for conversation about how these wardecs affect fresh players rather than a way to weasel my way out of dealing with war.

You chose to accentuate one half of the equation; I've highlighted the clear warning.

Whenever I've considered turning my one-person corp into something bigger, the thought of the responsibilities puts me off...
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According to this killboard most losses seem to have occured in Low-Sec (Tama), and even Null-Sec and Wormholes, mostly your own, btw, and even moreso if that other star on the killboard, Brand Itonula, is your Alt (he joined your Corp 17 minutes after its formation, make of that what you will).

Really, m8, you and at least some other guys from your Corp (assuming they are not ALL Alts of yours) apparently move around freely in Low and Null space where you can be (and are being) shot and killed but complain about Hi-Sec wardecs?
Either properly teach your Newbie Corpmembers about EvE and its dangers or go away.
Please go away anyway.

This is an inherent part of being in a corp, it's a deficiency on CCPs part that this isn't clearly and frequently communicated.

There's also a problem in that the war declaration system work extremely poorly at small scales, but very well at larger scales. As a result you'll find that most of the time the people who are declaring war on you will be pretty numerous and much better equipped than you which is going to make fighting back pretty hard. Oddly the opposite used to be true in the past and people used to routinely post threads complaining that it was unfair for a 5 man wardec corp to declare on their 250 man alliance because [REASONS].

problem is there no conquer mechanic . if a experianced alliance war declared and won and then had that corp assimulated into there alliance they would be abit slower in declaring if the prospect of winning was having to protect 300 carebears or new bros afterwards lol

There's really not such a thing as a" large hauler corp". The corps that run dedicated hauling services aren't actually that big and their loss rates are near zero.

In any scenario it doesn't make sense for an defender to complain that the aggressor is smaller than them, the alternative is that the group they're at war being the same size or larger than they are, in which case the situation would be much worse because they'd encounter the enemy more frequently and in greater numbers.

I think those people were under the mistaken impression that if small groups didn't declare war on them nobody would declare war on them. What actually happened when wars were changed in ways that made them less viable for small groups is the members of those groups formed much, much larger groups to share the increased financial burden and mitigate the new risks involved.

Anyway, what happens when a small group of people declares war on a larger one is entirely dependent on the preparedness and skill levels of both groups. It's entirely typical for a highsec industrialist corp to not have ever given any consideration as to what they're going to do when someone declares war on them, regardless of the size of the attacker. Obviously when that's the case they're going to get plowed hard because the members will either react at an individual level, which will typically result in them hiding because nobody wants to fight a war by themselves, or not reacting at all, in which case they get blown up while mining or whatever.

In a case where the industrialist group actually has given consideration to their own defense and has either mercenaries lined up, has their own, effective, defense plan, or intends to use both then being much larger than the attacker they'd be able to inflict some horribly embarrassing losses on the attacker. In times long passed that would result in the attacker issuing a retraction of the war declaration, ending the war, but that functionality has been removed.

This really depends on the way you fight and how effective you're able to be. If what you're doing consists of throwing newbies at them and giving them "fights" in which they achieve kills with no or negligible losses then it's true.

The thing to do is inflict punishment on isolated individuals and getting away before they can retaliate significantly while avoiding larger scale engagements where they can employ their superior assets. Like I said before this worked much better when aggressors could actually retract wars and when highsec PVP was less hub-camping oriented but it's still an effective way of deterring aggressors from messing with you in the future while also providing interesting content for your own corp.

As stated, 21 of anything is going to mess you up pretty badly if they catch you alone

CCP Falcon has outlined his thoughts on EVE and touched on this issue Here. I would also point out that PVP can not be avoided in eve. In Fact if you review the EVE FAQ its listed at 7.2 "CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

As this issue has been discussed in depth before, I will close this thread.