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Trying to find the Minmatar Elders Story

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Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#1 - 2016-10-04 20:54:06 UTC
Greetings all!

Once upon a time, I remember reading a great entry in the Evelopedia in regards to the Original Minmatar Elders and their relationship with one another, a sort of Origin Story for the minmatar people if you will. However I cant seem to find it anywhere any more.

Might any of you have copy of that story? Or a way to find it?


Thanks

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#2 - 2016-10-05 11:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
This one?
http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=The_Elders

Was surpisingly hard to find, only way I found it was because it was still on the recent fiction portal changes sticky.

Edit: Having re-read that now one thing confuses me - did the Vherokior exist as a tribe or not before the Starkmanir chieftain was expelled? Or did this Starkmanir offshoot become a new Vherokior tribe, separate from the original? The story seems somewhat contradictory about this, altough if it is supposed to be read as oral history then that is more understandable, even if still, confusing.
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#3 - 2016-10-05 12:41:02 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
This one?
http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=The_Elders

Was surpisingly hard to find, only way I found it was because it was still on the recent fiction portal changes sticky.

Edit: Having re-read that now one thing confuses me - did the Vherokior exist as a tribe or not before the Starkmanir chieftain was expelled? Or did this Starkmanir offshoot become a new Vherokior tribe, separate from the original? The story seems somewhat contradictory about this, altough if it is supposed to be read as oral history then that is more understandable, even if still, confusing.



The way initial Der stand it it is the the vherokior began as a tribe only after the split from the Starkmanir, but chose vherokior as their elder.

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Quin Mansa
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-10-05 13:17:13 UTC
The Starkmanir chief who was banished to the Sobaki with his people would eventually become the Vherokior. I assumed they either took or were given the name after the First Mother, around the time of their emergence from exile.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#5 - 2016-10-05 14:02:06 UTC
Yes but the part that confuses me is the one about Vheroka leading her people (at this point, she didn't have a people?) before that.
Quin Mansa
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-10-05 14:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Quin Mansa
Apologies, I think I see what you're driving at now.

So let's just assume from the old-old wiki that 5000 years back there were no Vherokior. Taking those we have today, we might say that there were no more than 6 Tribes then. Whoever that chieftain was who led his clan into the desert, there was an intervening period during which somewhere between 20-40 generations came to pass, depending on the rate of reproduction. When they emerged from the Sobaki some 600 years later, we might assume that their First Elder, a woman of already exceedingly advanced age, led them to reunion with the other Tribes. By that point, she may have been the spiritual and practical leader for 4 or 5 generations, and thus they called themselves after her name.

But, as you say, this is a ~4400-year-old story passed down orally in spite of active suppression/destruction of culture/recordation. The names in the tales of the First Elders may be a colorful feature of important Matari parables.

Perhaps I am still misunderstanding though.

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#7 - 2016-10-05 23:48:01 UTC
The Starkmanir were a sprawling tribe that made have had a single figurehead in Stark, but he was ultimately informed and assisted by Brute and Vheroka on his left and right (masculine and feminine, war and peace, brawn and brains, and other dichotomies) and shared the role with them governing the most populace tribe on Matar. While the tribe looked to their figurehead there were ultimately sections of the Starkmanir that were devoted to or inclined towards Brute or Vheroka.

Vheroka had a people in that she had followers or devotees. People that listened to her guidance, such as the chief who was exiled. While they would emerge from the desert having taken her name and governed by the influence of the now timeless Elder they were Starkmanir who were more inclined to listen to Vheroka before that time.

I might pass over that article in the future and see if I can make the language a little clearer. Such as "Amidst the conflict the Vherokior flocked to the side of their Elder, near death", as they wouldn't technically be known as Vherokior at this point.

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#8 - 2016-10-06 13:28:39 UTC
Alright, thanks for clearing that up. Makes a lot more sense now.