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Rawmeat Mary
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#21 - 2016-10-04 21:30:19 UTC
Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.

With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.

'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'

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Chapo Muerte
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#22 - 2016-10-04 21:36:13 UTC
Rawmeat Mary wrote:
Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.

With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.


But that's forcing freighters to use their brains and put in effort when its easier to cry to CCP for changes XD XD
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#23 - 2016-10-05 00:05:54 UTC
Rawmeat Mary wrote:
Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.

With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.

But what if i want to auto pilot????

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Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#24 - 2016-10-05 01:43:06 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Rawmeat Mary wrote:
Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.

With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.

But what if i want to auto pilot????

set shortest route, enjoy your safe flight :D

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#25 - 2016-10-05 02:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Rawmeat Mary wrote:
Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.

With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.

But what if i want to auto pilot????

set shortest route, enjoy your safe flight :D

I've actually set auto pilot on my freighter many times. It's been ganked once and it was more to do with it being mine than anything else Lol

Edit: I was at keyboard when it got ganked. messed up the web Oops

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Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#26 - 2016-10-05 04:19:46 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Rawmeat Mary wrote:
Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.

With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.

But what if i want to auto pilot????

set shortest route, enjoy your safe flight :D

I've actually set auto pilot on my freighter many times. It's been ganked once and it was more to do with it being mine than anything else Lol

Edit: I was at keyboard when it got ganked. messed up the web Oops

I think I was there and watched it happen, and did nothing.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#27 - 2016-10-05 06:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Kip Winger wrote:
As for your last snarky comment, its never just one more nerf, as the game evolves, tweaks need to be made for all. Just like when the online notifications got removed unless it was a 2 way trust... or when the crazy amount of HP was added to the wrecks, so wreck popping became rare. It goes both ways my friend.
Of course it does. But those changes you cite were designed to improve overall game play and touched multiple aspects of the game.

You however, are asking for direct nerfs to the ability to tackle capital ships in highsec at no additional cost or effort for yourself. This will increase the cost and difficulty of engaging in highsec piracy for no reason you state other than you seem to feel entitled to move unhindered through highsec in whatever ship you want. How does reducing the risk to highsec haulers and giving them more safety for no effort or cost make the game better? It just encourages players to get more complacent, load more stuff in their haulers, and haul them AFK more often, and increases their anger when they do finally lose something to another player because they couldn't be bothered to protect it.

If there is a real problem (which is dubious - this more likely the result of carebear whining from players like yourself that has filtered up throught the CSM), it is that a single player can bump a undefended capital ship for hours on end in highsec to extort a ransom. So CCP is planning to limit the ability to bump-tackle ships indefinitely. They are not, as your OP seems predicated on, trying to prevent players from tackling ships in highsec at all so they have unfettered access to move their stuff around while watching Netflix.

This not a single player game. You are not entitled to free movement or have some intrinsic right to never be delayed more than 3 minutes. We'll see how CCP implements this (and can argue over this then, and in the correct forum), but it is likely to just be a simple reset which forces attackers to maintain a point as this is the simplest way to nerf bumping without negatively impacting the rest of the game.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#28 - 2016-10-05 06:55:23 UTC
Kip Winger wrote:
So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today.......


soooo, just safe log off?

if you have no capsuleer or NPC log out timers, you'll be gone in 30s.

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#29 - 2016-10-05 07:56:24 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
It was for about 10 minutes until his corp started to desperately try and save it. all manner of things was tried including logging off, webbing, threats, pleads about poorness. Was a good day all in all Lol
Cant remember, but I'll take your word for it. At least we had the intention to kill it asap. I'm ok with that.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#30 - 2016-10-05 10:10:43 UTC
if only ccp allowed people to have alts where they can have a look on the other side of a gate for bumping ships and pirates, that would literally be a game changer Shocked

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#31 - 2016-10-05 10:11:20 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Rawmeat Mary wrote:
Stop going in straight line through Uedama. Use Lowsec Kubinen instead.

With a scout/weber, its actually SAFER.

But what if i want to auto pilot????

set shortest route, enjoy your safe flight :D

I've actually set auto pilot on my freighter many times. It's been ganked once and it was more to do with it being mine than anything else Lol

Edit: I was at keyboard when it got ganked. messed up the web Oops

I think I was there and watched it happen, and did nothing.

To be fair I'd not have saved it either Big smile. But it and it's contents were needed for a C&P op so I went and bought another one and replaced its cargo and didn't mess up on webs the second time. Even with 2 machs waiting to bump it webbing got it out quite safely when done right.

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#32 - 2016-10-05 10:12:12 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
if only ccp allowed people to have alts where they can have a look on the other side of a gate for bumping ships and pirates, that would literally be a game changer Shocked

Or even better if you were allowed to have friends in eve to help you out and vice versa

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#33 - 2016-10-05 10:13:58 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
if only ccp allowed people to have alts where they can have a look on the other side of a gate for bumping ships and pirates, that would literally be a game changer Shocked

Or even better if you were allowed to have friends in eve to help you out and vice versa


these 2 ideas are literally amazing, we should work for ccp and pitch these ideas to them

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#34 - 2016-10-05 14:27:51 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Kip Winger wrote:
So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today,

3-6 hours?

Really. Was it closer to 3, or 6?

I know either is pretty long and beyond what many would consider reasonable, however such an imprecise figure suggests bullshit (exaggeration) at play here.

It was between 30 seconds and 3 days ok



No no no, you're not getting it. He was AFK for 3 hours before he noticed he was being bumped, so that is the bottom boundary and then he 'wasted' 3 hours of his day engaged in honorable combat before the incident ended. THAT is where the 3-6 hours comes from. You're probably one of those nubs that actually plays the game at the keyboard, so you're not that up on how the game is SUPPOSED to be played.

I hope this helps Big smile
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#35 - 2016-10-05 17:09:19 UTC
Citizen!

It is customary to wait for the nerf to arrive on TQ before crying for the next one.

Or just gedgood already. You watched 6h of bumping and you and your 300 friends from ag where not able to do something about it?

Evil RatKid
Rawmeat Mary
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#36 - 2016-10-05 19:01:38 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Citizen!

It is customary to wait for the nerf to arrive on TQ before crying for the next one.

Or just gedgood already. You watched 6h of bumping and you and your 300 friends from ag where not able to do something about it?

Maybe their TS shorted under the flood of tears in the middle of it and they couldn't organize anymore.

Tears of mirth.

'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'

Yeah, we're like that.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#37 - 2016-10-05 19:38:48 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Kip Winger wrote:
So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today,

3-6 hours?

Really. Was it closer to 3, or 6?

I know either is pretty long and beyond what many would consider reasonable, however such an imprecise figure suggests bullshit (exaggeration) at play here.

It was between 30 seconds and 3 days ok



No no no, you're not getting it. He was AFK for 3 hours before he noticed he was being bumped, so that is the bottom boundary and then he 'wasted' 3 hours of his day engaged in honorable combat before the incident ended. THAT is where the 3-6 hours comes from. You're probably one of those nubs that actually plays the game at the keyboard, so you're not that up on how the game is SUPPOSED to be played.

I hope this helps Big smile

ah thanks. that does help Big smile

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Kip Winger
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-10-06 03:32:46 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Kip Winger wrote:
As for your last snarky comment, its never just one more nerf, as the game evolves, tweaks need to be made for all. Just like when the online notifications got removed unless it was a 2 way trust... or when the crazy amount of HP was added to the wrecks, so wreck popping became rare. It goes both ways my friend.
Of course it does. But those changes you cite were designed to improve overall game play and touched multiple aspects of the game.

You however, are asking for direct nerfs to the ability to tackle capital ships in highsec at no additional cost or effort for yourself. This will increase the cost and difficulty of engaging in highsec piracy for no reason you state other than you seem to feel entitled to move unhindered through highsec in whatever ship you want. How does reducing the risk to highsec haulers and giving them more safety for no effort or cost make the game better? It just encourages players to get more complacent, load more stuff in their haulers, and haul them AFK more often, and increases their anger when they do finally lose something to another player because they couldn't be bothered to protect it.

If there is a real problem (which is dubious - this more likely the result of carebear whining from players like yourself that has filtered up throught the CSM), it is that a single player can bump a undefended capital ship for hours on end in highsec to extort a ransom. So CCP is planning to limit the ability to bump-tackle ships indefinitely. They are not, as your OP seems predicated on, trying to prevent players from tackling ships in highsec at all so they have unfettered access to move their stuff around while watching Netflix.

This not a single player game. You are not entitled to free movement or have some intrinsic right to never be delayed more than 3 minutes. We'll see how CCP implements this (and can argue over this then, and in the correct forum), but it is likely to just be a simple reset which forces attackers to maintain a point as this is the simplest way to nerf bumping without negatively impacting the rest of the game.


"Improve gameplay as a whole", I guess you can believe what you like.

You can tackle the ship... But then you go criminal. Then concord blows you up. But you don't get another 3 minutes to gank. you have 3 minutes to gank from the minute he pushes the button to warp. This is not including AFK piloting people. So as you say "Watching Netfix".. If your not there to warp. Then the counter never starts and it is on the pilot to push the button. So you can bump the ship for 3 minutes.

"This not a single player game". Amazing you say such things. This is the reason why we have to live with the changes (for better or worse) to certain game mechanics just as much as you do. We all have a voice to be heard which is why a year or so ago someone on CSM person put the bug in CCP's ear about the wreck. In turn, maybe CSM did this... maybe it was just an evaluation of issues that have come up and needs to be BALANCED. Ya can still gank.... no one is saying you can't. Just move on with it. Maybe the timer is 5 minutes. Maybe 10. As you said we can talk about that more in the next post, when it is announced. I hope just to keep the thought alive with CCP.
Kip Winger
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-10-06 03:37:20 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Citizen!

It is customary to wait for the nerf to arrive on TQ before crying for the next one.

Or just gedgood already. You watched 6h of bumping and you and your 300 friends from ag where not able to do something about it?



Full disclaimer - No Tears were shed in making this post.
Ansza Kalltiern
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-10-06 05:47:30 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Kip Winger wrote:
So due to a 3-6 hour bump in Sivala @ Uedama gate today.......


soooo, just safe log off?

if you have no capsuleer or NPC log out timers, you'll be gone in 30s.



Capsuleers are able to safe log provided they do not have any sort of timer, as you correctly identified. However, if your ship is being targeted by another player, NPC entity, or structure, you are also unable to initiate safe log.

All bumpers target lock the freighter immediately to eliminate the ability for the freighter pilot to utilize safe log mechanics.