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Looking for advice on what ship path to go down for lvl4 & ratting.

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Super Captain Hindsight
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-10-04 18:13:02 UTC
Being new I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the ship options. I ultimately want to blow up stuff to make lots of Isk. I've been researching somewhat and was thinking of going down the Rattlesnake path, but honestly I still have no experience with ratting or level 4 missions so I'm not even sure if that's a sound plan. Given this I was wondering what any veterans would recommend as a good path to look towards with this goal in mind. Any explanations why choosing your said path would be greatly appreciated!
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#2 - 2016-10-04 20:37:56 UTC
I don't recommend locking yourself onto any path for income. All income streams get boring after a while, in other words, they can easily become a second job. Always keep in mind "Why" you are creating income. And follow the fun, or at least, the most interesting. Many of us like to change it up now and again.

That said, every income stream should be "enough" eventually, what matters most is compatibility with your play style. PvP is generally compatible with any exploration or combat style of income. Missions, incursions, etc.

To keep everything fresh, I never make any hard plans more than a month or two ahead. Also, you never know when something might come along and change your plans, and if you are committed too deeply, then you'll feel forced to turn down other opportunities that arise. Joining null sec might seem a no-go if you are a dedicated mission runner. For example.

For now, I suggest deciding what kind of pvp ship you want to fly. If that is a frigate, and it should be if you haven't played pvp before, then it is very easy to finance frigates.

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Memphis Baas
#3 - 2016-10-04 20:39:29 UTC
Seriously, any of the straight up T1 combat battleships will do. You can also get equivalent performance out of a T2 HAC cruiser.

The (pirate) faction battleships and the navy battleships are bling, really. Convenience of an extra slot or extra power grid or whatever, for 5x the price (and 5x the chance of losing it to a suicide gank, server or internet outage, etc.).
Francis Raven
GeoCorp.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2016-10-04 21:02:27 UTC
To actually answer your question for lvl 4s and Ratting:

Caldari T1 BS - Raven (Cruise)
Amarr T1 BS - Apocalypse (Beams)
Gallente T1 BS - Dominix/Hyperion (Drones/Hybrids)
Minmatar T1 BS - Maelstrom (Autocannons)
Choose a ship based on the weapon type you want to use.

From there, any of four faction's battleships work.

Lastly, top it off with a pirate BS.
Rattlesnake - One of the best ratters and lvl 4 mission runners. Selectable damage types.
Machariel - Great for blitzing level 4 missions (only killing what you need to kill)
Barghest - Decent for missile speed buff.
Nightmare - Only against Sansha missions and rats. Does a great job against those.

I have left out the marauders. Even though they are the optimal level 4 full-clear mission runners, you wouldnt really want to run one to rat in nullsec under most circumstances.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#5 - 2016-10-04 21:09:31 UTC
in addition to what was already said, for nullsec ratting consider a vexor navy issue. They are incredibly cheap, so you're not losing a lot of ISK when you inevitably get killed. They are several times cheaper than a battleship, and align quick enough you can bug out when a hostile shows up, so all you lose is potentially the flight of drones you left on the field, which is better than losing your rattlesnake.
Super Captain Hindsight
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-10-04 22:25:10 UTC
Thank you all for the help. I'll definitely look into the more cost effective options starting out and work my way to the more fancy ships as I grow my bank account and experience in the game.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7 - 2016-10-04 22:28:19 UTC
Super Captain Hindsight wrote:
Thank you all for the help. I'll definitely look into the more cost effective options starting out and work my way to the more fancy ships as I grow my bank account and experience in the game.


In highsec running missions a more expensive ship is fine. If you watch local and have your overview set up correctly you won't lose a ship (I d-scan during missions too, but d-scanning is so ingrained in me I can't stop doing it). NS ratting is different. You are going to lose more ships, so taking a cheaper approach is wise, to start at least.
Robot Robot
Plate of Beans Incorporated
#8 - 2016-10-05 15:21:59 UTC
For nullsec belt ratting (which is a respectable income), the Attack Battlecruisers (Tornado, etc.) are more than sufficient. Sure, you can get more isk per hour with fancier ships, but to start out, they're fast to train into and not too expensive when you lose one.
Saturn Sabezan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-10-05 15:57:49 UTC
Train for a Domi. If you decide to jump into a Rattler you'll already have the Gall BS and drone skills to go with it.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-10-05 19:22:19 UTC
Rattlesnake is great but don't get ahead of yourself. Rattlesnakes are around 4-500 million isk fit and you'll lose it pretty fast if you try to get into one too quickly.

A goal of flying a tech I Dominix is probably more than plenty toward the beginnings of EvE for you.

Train your core engineering skills useful for all ships first.

Train drone skills. (useful for many ships in EvE, actually, but especially Gallente ships)

Train missile skills and Caldari ships up through battleship 3 as well but not priority unless you discover you like missiles and squid...er...sorry...Caldari ships.

Rattlesnake uses cruise missiles and drones. It needs Gallente and Caldari battleship skills trained to fly it.

For droneboats (such as algos, vexor, myrmidon, and dominix gallente ships) keep in mind that your drones are your main weapons, not your guns. Omnidirectional tracking link with tracking speed script, drone navigation computer, 1-2 drone link augmenter, 1-3 drone damage augmenter. Perhaps sentry drones you might like but personally I prefer the regular ones that fly around.

Importantly, please keep in mind that in EvE a bigger ship is not always the best depending on what job you want it to do. Missions, yes, ship size need is somewhat true. Many long-term EvE players prefer to fly smaller ships almost always because of what they want to do.

Have fun first.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#11 - 2016-10-05 20:39:49 UTC
Saturn Sabezan wrote:
Train for a Domi. If you decide to jump into a Rattler you'll already have the Gall BS and drone skills to go with it.


Also remember that battleships can use Micro Jumpdrives, so you can use range tank instead of shield or armour tank.

So the short version of the training plan is:


  1. Train up to Dominix
  2. Train up to T1 sentry drones
  3. Train up to Micro jumpdrive
  4. Train up to T2 sentry drones & racial drone specialisation


The moment you can field a Dominix with MJD and sentry drones, you can start running L4s solo. Focus on removing the most dangerous ships first. As your DPS improves you'll be able to start blitzing (triggering successive spawns to complete the mission quicker).

The same basic plan works for every T1 battleship with the corresponding long-range weapon system.

You will lose ships as you figure out what does and doesn't work when using an MJD.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-10-06 01:32:20 UTC
to me having more options open to be able to more easily match the need damage and tank types is better than specializing. So that typically means training up more races rather than focusing.

Also for new players I usually advise that they stay general in their training and try all different types of ships and piloting styles. You will figure out what works best for you.

But like others have said you would be foolish to think that you are going to know what you want to do even only a week down the road much less a month or more out. So try not to commit to any one thing. Your tastes will change often.

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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-10-06 06:49:38 UTC
Robot Robot wrote:
For nullsec belt ratting (which is a respectable income), the Attack Battlecruisers (Tornado, etc.) are more than sufficient. Sure, you can get more isk per hour with fancier ships, but to start out, they're fast to train into and not too expensive when you lose one.

I would even say any battlecruiser functions very well for a start. Try to have some light drones if possible for the case some frigs come too close, especially the ones who scram you. You don't want to spend too much time scrammed if other players suddenly arrive in your system Blink
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#14 - 2016-10-06 13:31:06 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
If you watch local and have your overview set up correctly you won't lose a ship (I d-scan during missions too, but d-scanning is so ingrained in me I can't stop doing it).

Most high sec systems are so cluttered with well everything that D-Scan becomes almost useless.
Are those combat probes looking for mission runners or are they simply there because some explorer is looking for expensive T2 drones that were left behind.
Of the dozen or so ships that may show up which might be the ones who could cause you trouble, and which ones are there because they are running missions or sites.
I could go on for days with this but I will cut it off and simply say that D-Scan is a useful tool no matter where you are and you need to develop the D-Scan habit. Just do not expect it to have the same usefulness in high sec that is does in other areas of space simply because of the crazy amount of returns you will get.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-10-06 22:59:59 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
If you watch local and have your overview set up correctly you won't lose a ship (I d-scan during missions too, but d-scanning is so ingrained in me I can't stop doing it).

Most high sec systems are so cluttered with well everything that D-Scan becomes almost useless.
Are those combat probes looking for mission runners or are they simply there because some explorer is looking for expensive T2 drones that were left behind.
Of the dozen or so ships that may show up which might be the ones who could cause you trouble, and which ones are there because they are running missions or sites.
I could go on for days with this but I will cut it off and simply say that D-Scan is a useful tool no matter where you are and you need to develop the D-Scan habit. Just do not expect it to have the same usefulness in high sec that is does in other areas of space simply because of the crazy amount of returns you will get.

If you set the scan range properly you can know when someone is landing on grid with the acceleration gate into your mission space. If you get into the habit of not sitting on top of the WiP ( Warp in Point ), then you can give your self a fair bit of warning as to when you are about to have uninvited guests in your mission space.

No tool is fool proof but when used properly D scan can be pretty useful if you are mission running in a blingy ship. Granted someone could be sitting with you in your mission space cloaked without you knowing it but ships that either can warp cloaked or are immune to D scan are typically considered too expensive to throw away on a gank attempt. However if you have enough bling people's risk threshold does go up.

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#16 - 2016-10-07 11:16:03 UTC
You can practice ratting in highsec with a frigate and very low skill. Look for cosmic anomalies in your system, http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Cosmic_Anomalies. Start by running Burrows and work your way up. It will take a while before you're ready for Havens or Sanctums (and the big paychecks they provide) but they also come with high risk - not from the PVE rats but from other players in nullsec.