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Fixed it for you. I like the buff.

I wonder if people are aware of how slow the rorqual is to warp from a standing stop. With max skills and the core OFF what will be the maximum bonus range? I ask this because the only safe way to have a rorqual in a belt is if it is aligned (75% speed) back to the pos or station or citadel. That is the only way you will make it out in time. but for that to be viable you need a pretty large bonus range.

Once kill squads develop to catch deployed rorquals, people will see what a disaster deploying would be, massive bonus or not. Mining just isn't that lucrative. Unless the panic button kept the enemy immobile but allowed friendlies to warp out, including the rorqual. LOL like that would ever happen.

I think having a Rorqual in belt should be risk enough. I don't think being deployed should hold one in place. I would favor reducing the industrial core's bonus and make it so the rorqual isn't held in place for 5 minutes. I know it will never happen, but one can wish.

Ore make it so the rorqual can cyno out even if the core is deployed, if he presses the panic button. All effects would then cease so it can't be used in capital fights for that reason. well it still would, but whatever. Never happen anyways. CCP is dead set on killing the rorqual except as a hauler.

I do like restoring the jump range of the rorqual. That is the only awesome part of this mess.

the only good thing about ruining rorquals is if there is less mining going on the ore prices will rise. ATM isk per hour it's the worse way in the game to make isk.

Are current rorqual pilots gonna get ammo for the boosts or are our modules gonna be useless until we get the ammo?

Lighting a Cyno should break the invulnerability. Ships that already have a cyno up do not gain invulnerability.


- Is it intended for the industrial ships to have the ability to refit to EWAR and Remote Reps and apply them while invulnerable? This sounds more than a little silly. I know your design goal is that the fleet should be capable of continued mining operations under PANIC, but in practice I think it might be better to set max targets locked to 0. This also applies to in-PANIC rorquals repairing other Rorquals that have coasted out of siege with their own panic.
- If I am reading the notes correctly, the Rorqual will still receive 20% of remote capacitor transfers while sieged? Or does that count as "Repairing the Capacitor"?
- PANIC Skill requirements definitely need a look at. Thematically they make sense with TSM5. But as others have stated that skill needs reworking in general. Consider replacing with Shield Management and Operation 5.
- Have you considered revisiting skill requirements to get into the ship? Mining/Astrogeology sound more in-line than Advanced Mass Production
- The sieged yield feels a little high, but we will see how it turns out in practice. I was expecting roughly half that, to put it in the ballpark of ratting carrier income. Of course, that will also depend on how it affects mineral prices in the long run.
-T2 core heavy water consumption increase seems unnecessary. It will already be under heavy strain from more active cores and the command burst charges using it.

Other than that, it looks pretty good - in terms of mining.

Now lets take a look at putting one on the field in a (super)capital engagement.
You have 1/7th of a Shield FAX with an Emergency hull energizer that lats upward of 2,000% of the duration. A little more, since it can fit 6 remote reps to the 5 of a Minokawa. Hard to say if they would be used over another T2 Triage FAX.

As another use case, you have a ship that can provide command ship level shield bursts with said energizer and pushing 4 million EHP. How do you expect a Vulture to compete with that? Furthermore, why are shield bursts getting such a sturdy 15% platform while armor is confined to 10% bonused capitals (without PANIC) or relatively flimsy command ships?

If the Rorqual is in panic, so are the industrial ships around it. Therefore, the remote reps of the Rorqual are not necessary. If the incoming defense fleet needs the reps, their arrival can be timed appropriately. Removing target locks would also mitigate things such as ecm module and drone fit nereus. There is likewise no need for the Rorqual to continue cycling shield command bursts in PANIC. Additionally, if Cyno breaks PANIC, the Rorqual can then choose to break out early and apply repairs at the cost of being held in place by its own cyno. The cyno should then prevent another panic activation for its duration, even if the rorqual manages to refit the burned out module for a spare. Mechanically it should prevent the effect from being applied to the cyno ship, rather than stop the module from activating, so the rorqual can refresh invulnerability on the barges even when immune to the effect itself.

so how big is the PANIC mod? how easy will it be for me to jet my burnt out one and refit a new one?

I'm not sure what hulk you are flying, but mine gets 3848m3 of ore every 60 and change seconds. Lets call the change drone travel time in optimal conditions. That puts it at 4.78 of the current hulk, or "as much as half" of your estimate. Since the yield bonus of skills/implants is going away, without doing the new-hulk math I'm gonna guess and peg it at 5x hulk. In reality it will be less. You need to adjust position to minimize drone flight time as you pop rocks, which you cannot do sieged. Unsieging to move means lower yield during the adjustment period.

It's still a terrible jump freighter. Fully expanded would be 175k m3. Just over half a jump freighter without the ability to go to high sec for the cargo and cyno off the Jita 4-4 undock. Furthermore, using it as such means it's not deployable for the other roles due to using(T2) cargo rigs. Without the rigs, you barely break 100km3. I suppose it's better for moving two packaged battleships than a carrier for assembled.

It is not a carrier. When fitted with 4 damage amps, It has the dps of the turrets only on a Nidhoggur. Fighters also have missiles for another 1000 dps and significant alpha. Your average mining rorqual will not have 4 drone damage amps. That's not to say people won't try ratting in one, that's pretty much guaranteed.

It does not have the remote rep power of a fax. The bonuses are to range. The duration reduction is on par with a FAX, but it reps for the base amount per cycle. A T2 Triage FAX reps for 650% of base.

Questions regarding the PANIC mode

- are the mining fleet drones protected as well?


-> what about doomsdays

-> can the mining fleet engage the enemy (with drones or modules)?

Why would you want to remove your own ability to call for help?
More importantly, why do you want someone else on grid to remove it for you.



The general idea is that nullsec yield is higher, because your operations are interruptible. How do you expect offenders to hold the grid for 10 minutes against thousands of incoming dps before reinforcements arrive and the fight actually starts? You get more, because you risk more.

If you're in a fleet with you and your alts, with no help to be had, that is obviously not the time to field a sieged rorqual(s). Certainly not within jump range of hostile capitals. You will want to ship down, the same way everyone else, everywhere else in eve, doing any other activity does.

Hi Aliana, thanks for an interesting perspective. I note that you 'don't have the time...to be active much', which suggests that you belong to a group which I call 'casual but committed'. Despite assertions to the contrary in various corp descriptions, the EVE player base doesn't deal well with this type of player.

Your suggestions for tools for boosters seem sound to me. I hope CCP listens.

You feel you must 'drop down to Alpha' and provide a chat service? That's some of the most time-intensive stuff right there! Unless you mean to pop in for a few minutes each day. Also, I don't see how it can mitigate the fun if, by your own admission, the fun merely consists of sitting in space in Tarta and Tekaima while you are away at work, or whatever. But I may not be in possession of the complete picture. Help me out here!

I get that the proposed changes won't work for you, Aliana. But surely, if you're spending all this time helping new players, you can inspire at least some of them to train up boosting skills? Perhaps the new Porpoise will help there? And while you're at it, gank-avoidance skills, too.