These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

T1 L4 Mission Raven fitting help

Author
Kzaji
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2016-10-02 12:04:01 UTC
Hello,

Just got my first L4 Mission and my Raven, whilst I could finish the mission, it was pretty slow and I had to warp to station twice for a repair which took about half the ISK from the reward/bounties. I also run out of cap really fast.

I'm not able to fit any T2 stuff yet and haven't chose rigs as I'm a little unsure which to go for. I change shields and missiles (T1, faction would not net me profit I don't think) depending on pirates. I'm the type to loot/salvage everything.

[Raven, Kzaji's Raven]
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Type-D Restrained Capacitor Power Relay

Phased Scoped Target Painter
500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
5a Prototype Shield Support I
Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor I



Salvage Drone I x4
Hammerhead I x4

Mjolnir Cruise Missile x836
Scourge Cruise Missile x1004
Inferno Cruise Missile x4
Nova Cruise Missile x1100


While I'm working on skills if anyone has any advice I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#2 - 2016-10-02 13:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Rigs you want at least 2 rigors for damage application. I' to start, t2 one of them when skills and money allow. (by skill I mean the old school 4 to cut down on drawbacks....you can run whatever now, its just the drawbacks may hurt you)

3rd rig....I' do CCC to get some cap flowing. But I like cap, thats my thing.


Drones go navy if you can swing the isk. Better EHP and tracking. If they don't get blown up they will be long term investment. Even people like me who can run t2 drones still like the navy. That ehp lets me keep them out longer to see of I can kill off what is hitting them. The tracking gets its damage on target better. Of interest to ravens since most don't run drone tracking mods. Your paint will help that...but only so much.

I have tried and used CPR and they can be decent to good. An option to look at is cap battery as well. Been switching out CPR to battery on a fit or 2 and liking the change so far. CPR with the shield hit your best bet it so to go for tank by range as best you can.



I prefer AB's on mission runners. Personal preference. Can burn longer and fit easier. I also find a few seconds more to gates can give a chance to let cap build up once your support skills allow this to happen.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#3 - 2016-10-02 15:59:51 UTC
A few suggestions that may help.

Parallel Enduring Target Painter, for slightly less cap use on the theory that every little bit will help.
Also the Missiles Guidance Enhancer uses no cap, not as good as the TP but could help with the cap, again the theory that every little bit may help.

Mark I Compact Power Diagnostic System may be a better option than the 5a Prototype Shield support. When build your ship in EvE HQ and set pilot skills to minimum to fly the ship it this improves tank and increase cap life.

Cruise missiles are the longest range weapons you could fit to your Raven, try replacing the MWD with a MJD. Land in the pocket and then micro jump out to range and shoot from there. Another advantage to the MJD is as an escape tool from other players or from the NPC. It is much faster to use the MJD than it is to warp, you just need to keep your ship pointed in a safe direction so when you use this escape method you do not jump into more trouble than you were in.

Last suggestion is not about the ship or fitting but your skills training.
Look at the fit you are flying and then determine that skills that affect that fit. As much as possible train them all one level at a time instead of training one to level 4-5 and the moving on to the next skill. This balanced approach to training will get you more effectiveness and do it more quickly than any other method. As an example train all to level 3, then all to level 4 tec.






Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2016-10-03 15:42:00 UTC
I would suggest you go back to run lvl 3 with drake or gila first while waiting for your skills. If you are stick with lvl 4 missions, I would personally prefer a Rattlesnake with decent DPS and TANK.

but if you really wanna some cool BS fitting you can try at this point, here you go:
[Raven, Raven fit]

Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I
IFFA Compact Damage Control
F-89 Compact Signal Amplifier

Large Micro Jump Drive
'Stalwart' Particle Field Magnifier
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Thermal Dissipation Field I
Large Cap Battery I

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

This fit is based on the assumption that all of your skills are low ( at lvl 1 or 2). At this point, you don't really need to think about AB fit and warpspeed rigs for you do not have enough basic skills to support them. All that concerns you are whether you are able to survive under some harsh circumstance (e.g. the Blockade). This fit is not of efficiency, but it is pretty safe for new mission runners unless you forget to use mission-specific resist.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#5 - 2016-10-03 23:52:51 UTC
Like it was mentioned before, it may be better for you to go back to L3s for a while, until you have enough "supporting" skills to run a Raven well.
However, if you want to stick it out. You might want to give this fit a try;

rigs
2xrigors
1xflair

highs
6x arbalest cruise launchers, Caldari missiles
tractor beam

mid
X-L C5-L shield booster (or faction, or deep space)
Copasetic Particle Field Accel. (shield boost amplifier)
2x named shield hardeners (mission specific)
1x names shield resist amp (mission specific)
Heavy F-RX cap booster w/ 800 charges
MJD (to GTFO)

Low
4x Cross-link Bolt array (named BCUs)
Internal Force Field Array (named DC)

10x light drones (mission specific)

The idea is to stay alive long enough to use the MJD if you get into trouble. With low skills you're going to be subject to incoming damage for a longer duration, so you're going to have to use your shield booster longer (pulse as needed). If your cap gets too low, use some cap charges to build it back up. Carry about 15 in the hold. When you run out, get out.

Next thought is to apply damage. 2 rigors and 1 flair is probably best. Use caldari missiles, and 4 BCUs, you'll need every DPS you can generate.

Your completion times are going to be very long, you're really not going to lose that much to profits by using faction missiles. Don't even worry about it for now. Just get the loyalty points, the bounties, and keep training.

Read the mission reports.

Good luck!

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2016-10-04 02:48:17 UTC
Every one here has had some good suggestions. But each has a different approach for sure.

The things I notice:

Dump the MWD for an afterburner, or just slow boat through the gates. Most missions, you will get your last kill about the time you hit the gate.

I like CCC rigs, at least 2 on my mission ships.

I also like Power Diagnostics in my lows. 2 of them with 3 Ballistic controls. They don't have stacking penalties, and they really add a lot to shield hitpoints, shield recharge, and capacitor recharge.

Drones, you need a wing of LIGHT drones for level 4 missions. Far more important than salvage drones.

Skills... I have a feeling you might need to skill up some. Tank skills, Cap skills, Missile Suport skills. You can feel the improvement every time you skill up.

INSURANCE! Insure that ship for your first few weeks of level 4's. Nothing hurts more, than losing every thing you have worked for in a fireball in space.

Kzaji
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2016-10-04 21:35:32 UTC
Cheers guys, some excellent advice here. I'm giving the fit a tinker and will hopefully do better.

I would like to try a Rattlesnake, but it's a long way off. And L3 Missions are a long "drive" so I had hoped to do L4's, even if it's a bit slower. Will see though, I tried another mission last night, "Buzz Kill" and couldn't do a thing so maybe.

I hadn't thought about the LP with the profit, I forgot all about it, got a chunk saved up from getting here.

Could I ask, why would light drones be better? Hit more? I'll give it a go.

And yep it's insured, I insure everything because I can do dumb **** accidentally quite often :)

Thanks again.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-10-05 02:38:27 UTC
The light drones are for anything that gets too close. If you got a frigate orbiting you fast, your cruise missiles are not going to really hurt it. That is why you drop the flight of light drones to get rid of them, because there are also some missions where the frigates do warp disrupt you so you cannot warp out if needed.

Also maybe doing priority targeting might help you out. When I do L4 missions, I always ignore the frigs and destoyers and take out the battleships and battlecruisers first (unless they are the trigger, read Eve Survival for more info) and then move down to cruisers, then the small stuff. The battleships and battlecruisers are the big dps coming in at you and if you can neutralize that first, then you really don't have much to worry about after that. In that short amount of time when the rats are realizing that they are being shot at, you can reduce the incoming dps and give that tank a bit of a break.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#9 - 2016-10-05 04:43:45 UTC
Kzaji wrote:
Cheers guys, some excellent advice here. I'm giving the fit a tinker and will hopefully do better.

I would like to try a Rattlesnake, but it's a long way off. And L3 Missions are a long "drive" so I had hoped to do L4's, even if it's a bit slower. Will see though, I tried another mission last night, "Buzz Kill" and couldn't do a thing so maybe.

I hadn't thought about the LP with the profit, I forgot all about it, got a chunk saved up from getting here.

Could I ask, why would light drones be better? Hit more? I'll give it a go.

And yep it's insured, I insure everything because I can do dumb **** accidentally quite often :)

Thanks again.


Your next step up from a T1 Raven, might also be a Navy Raven.

Light drones are for fast frigates that get in on you and web you or warp scramble you.
Some of them are actually triggers to launch a next wave, some are just annoying.
Those frigates will also kill your drones, so pay attention to that.
As mentioned, read up on missions until you get some experience.
Kzaji
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2016-10-05 09:06:28 UTC
I use heavy drones at the moment, and eft gives much more DPS than the light drones. Do light drones hit smaller things more than heavy? I only had salvage in the bay for cleaning up afterwards, my heavies don't really die.

I'm checking each mission on that site beforehand :)

Thanks, should get my skills for the new fit tonight so will get to give it a whirl :)
Lan Wang
Pandemic Alpha
#11 - 2016-10-05 10:20:45 UTC
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Kzaji
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2016-10-05 10:22:51 UTC
Waiting for that :)
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#13 - 2016-10-05 18:28:03 UTC
Kzaji wrote:
I use heavy drones at the moment, and eft gives much more DPS than the light drones. Do light drones hit smaller things more than heavy? I only had salvage in the bay for cleaning up afterwards, my heavies don't really die.

I'm checking each mission on that site beforehand :)

Thanks, should get my skills for the new fit tonight so will get to give it a whirl :)



Yes, smaller drones hit smaller things better.

Lights are ideal for frigates, can be grindy but decent on cruisers.

Mediums if you skills are high or "perfect" can kill cruisers well and pretty decent at frigates. Mediums can be the jack of all trades on ships with smaller drone bays (ie. rokh with 50m3).


Main advantage to lights, imo, is they are harder to hit. With rat aggro shift if enough cruisers and frigs on the field they can take a beating. I see my mediums get jumped hard once launched every so often in my Rattlesnake. Same as heavies sometimes (why I usually opt to kill a decent chunk of the small stuff first then send out the heavies). Lights can fair better.

Another main advantage is they are the fastest so can switch between targets faster. And in the case of the fast rat frigates keep up with them better.




aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#14 - 2016-10-05 18:50:20 UTC
Start with a more tank cap stable fit, then adjust as you get better. Fit mission specific hardens. I would start with below and as you get more confident and learn the missions you can add prop mods etc. Always read mission guides and don't solo to start. You want as many light drones as you can carry and don't sent them far out. You can try it for no loss on the test server.
Rigors and painters are good to have when you know what you doing, but not losing your ship cause you weren't watching cap, which you won't do as a new player, is way better.

[Raven, lvl4's]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
'Stalwart' Particle Field Magnifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I



Scourge Cruise Missile x143
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#15 - 2016-10-07 01:05:18 UTC
Kzaji:

So, have you improved your Raven fit?

It would be difficult to do L4s in a T1 Raven. I'm going to repeat myself a little.

Problem is survival. The longer you stay in the battle, the longer you're taking damage.

You need to generate as much DPS as possible, and then be able to apply it.

You also need a very good tank.

If you have a lot of mods that boost your cap, you're wasting a lot of mods that can be used for shields and missile damage.

The fit I showed earlier is a take on Niang Nuren's Raven fit from a few years ago. It had a good tank and gank, relying on a heavy cap booster with 800 charges, to replenish the capacitor. The idea is to pulse the shield booster when needed. There is no need to be cap stable. If the shield booster can't keep up, and you start running out of charges, It's time to get out of the mission to recoup. Niang's Raven fit was more for a newer person to L4s. Back then the Raven only had 6 mids.

Depending on the mission, if you hit the wrong triggers (it happens), if you are cap stable with a single X-L shield booster, chances are it won't be able to keep up with the incoming damage, and if you have low drone skills, and no application mods, you will not be able to take out fast orbiting frigates that scram you. You be taking forever to eliminate targets, you're shield booster will be spinning, and you'll watch helplessly as you loose your ship. You couldn't apply your damage, had a bad tank, and had no means of escape.

That's what can happen to ship with a pilot with low SPs, and a poor fit. You will learn for yourself what works for you and what doesn't. Don't take a chance with your ship.

(been there done that)

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Kzaji
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2016-10-07 21:51:51 UTC
I've updated the fit:

[Raven, Kzaji's Raven]
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
IFFA Compact Damage Control

Heavy F-RX Prototype Capacitor Boost
Large Micro Jump Drive
'Stalwart' Particle Field Magnifier
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hobgoblin I x4

Cap Booster 800
Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile



And managed to try that missions again, "Buzz Kill", against Angels, but can't do enough DPS to down a single ship in the first wave of Assault Cruisers. With the Cap boosts I'm able to stay alive no problem but can't get shields past 75%, seems futile. Tried both Light and Medium (I think I've said Heavy, previously, my bad) drones, and while light helped, it wasn't enough.

It's fairly disappointing to realise it took a lot of L3 missions to pay for the ship to run L4s, only to find it couldn't do **** and I need to wait another 5+ days to get a 5% buff to try again. Then another 5 days to get a 3% buff if that doesn't work.

Am I really stuck behind a 10+ day wait wall before being able to do these missions or am I just doing it wrong?

Cheers.
Lan Wang
Pandemic Alpha
#17 - 2016-10-07 21:59:40 UTC
why not try a bit of pvp while you wait? Big smile

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#18 - 2016-10-08 05:56:20 UTC
The whole point of level 4's is, Much harder to do=more ISK. I'd bet your skills just aren't there yet. So, yes, keep training.

1 suggestion: Find a friend that will help you do them. Split the ISK, and do them more than twice as fast as you would solo. It works out better for most teams.

1 comment: Doing missions solo. You will make more ISK, blasting through 3's, than you will doing 4's at a snails pace.
If your in it for the ISK, keep blazing those 3's until your skills catch up.
kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#19 - 2016-10-09 14:46:15 UTC  |  Edited by: kurage87
Kzaji wrote:
I've updated the fit:

[Raven, Kzaji's Raven]
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
IFFA Compact Damage Control

Heavy F-RX Prototype Capacitor Boost
Large Micro Jump Drive
'Stalwart' Particle Field Magnifier
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hobgoblin I x4

Cap Booster 800
Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile



And managed to try that missions again, "Buzz Kill", against Angels, but can't do enough DPS to down a single ship in the first wave of Assault Cruisers. With the Cap boosts I'm able to stay alive no problem but can't get shields past 75%, seems futile. Tried both Light and Medium (I think I've said Heavy, previously, my bad) drones, and while light helped, it wasn't enough.

It's fairly disappointing to realise it took a lot of L3 missions to pay for the ship to run L4s, only to find it couldn't do **** and I need to wait another 5+ days to get a 5% buff to try again. Then another 5 days to get a 3% buff if that doesn't work.

Am I really stuck behind a 10+ day wait wall before being able to do these missions or am I just doing it wrong?

Cheers.

Fit looks good.

Surprised you can't kill an AC though. Sounds to me more like a damage type problem. Have you checked the dmg resists of the rats in that mission? (eg shooting nova missiles into an enemy with high explosive resists)

Something else that helps of you're tanking fine is to drop the shield amp for a PWNAGE.
aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#20 - 2016-10-09 16:44:56 UTC
Kzaji wrote:
I've updated the fit:

[Raven, Kzaji's Raven]
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
IFFA Compact Damage Control

Heavy F-RX Prototype Capacitor Boost
Large Micro Jump Drive
'Stalwart' Particle Field Magnifier
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hobgoblin I x4

Cap Booster 800
Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile



And managed to try that missions again, "Buzz Kill", against Angels, but can't do enough DPS to down a single ship in the first wave of Assault Cruisers. With the Cap boosts I'm able to stay alive no problem but can't get shields past 75%, seems futile. Tried both Light and Medium (I think I've said Heavy, previously, my bad) drones, and while light helped, it wasn't enough.

It's fairly disappointing to realise it took a lot of L3 missions to pay for the ship to run L4s, only to find it couldn't do **** and I need to wait another 5+ days to get a 5% buff to try again. Then another 5 days to get a 3% buff if that doesn't work.

Am I really stuck behind a 10+ day wait wall before being able to do these missions or am I just doing it wrong?

Cheers.


What are your missile support skills like ? guided missile precision, missile bombardment, etc.
Are you using explosive (nova) missiles ? you only show inferno. You need to fit the right tank and do the right damage type. Use the mission guides http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=BuzzKill4an
12Next page