Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In one of the cases, the scammer actually threathen me with war if i didnt stop, and i was curious what would wardec me so i kept on **** him off

And Marmite wardec'd us...

Right after the scammer smugfully stated in local: " i told you something bad would happen"

The only thing that proves is that Marmite will wardec people if you pay them to; which is kind of the point of them being mercs.

In one case out of how many?


Also you were probably decced for being an annoying **** in local. That, believe it or is a primary cause for random decs, along with mass mail corp recruitments, autopilot, bling and the such.

I understand your frustration, but transparency / lack of transparency is an appealing aspect of the trader playstyle. Trading, like other elements of Eve has trainable skills and skills that are acquired by playing Eve. The ability to trade profitably in Eve is learned by doing it. The game is appealing because one doesn't expect feedback from the game itself but from the results of one's gameplay. This is a bit obscure but the fact that the game doesn't tell you when you're about to make a mistake makes discovery and success fun. It attaches value to experience. Capitalistic markets are rarely fairly transparent to all parties involved and they certainly are not rational.

And, the tools are in available in game to assess one's intended actions. The market history profiles are sufficient risk management tools. And, given other mechanics such as the use of alts, identifying a scammer has little chance of impacting the behavior - the person simply moves on to a new alt etc.

And a margin scam has certain risks expressed as sunk costs - skills, some wallet reserve and probably an item for sale on the market. If you've bought some unsellable item, start with the pilot you bought it from. If you discern this seller was also an alt, then the problem, the lack of accountability, will become apparent even with some additional flagging system.

I know game and it does not have to match real life and all that but we should start this by looking at what margin trading really is.
Margin Trading is essentially borrowing money from your brokerage firm so you can buy stocks or bonds you would not be able to buy otherwise. This carries risks for both parties and both parties know who to go after if it all goes bad, in EvE at least one of the parties and often both of them are allowed to hide behind a game mechanic. In a game where all of you champion the ability to extract your revenge when slighted here you are all arguing to maintain the ability to remain anonymous so as to hide from potential retributions for your actions in the markets. Gives one cause to wonder. In the end I see nothing wrong with making the character names on both sides of a market transaction known. If the transaction completes properly then each party knows who to thank, and if it fails for some reason then both parties know who to go after.

Many of you have misread the OP as well. They are not asking for margin trading to be removed from the game, they are simply asking for the anonymity either or both sides currently enjoy to be removed so both sides know who to blame if something goers wrong and I agree with them this needs to change.

Arguing with or against these people in local is just bad. First the whole bit about lowering yourself to that level does not look good for starters.

Rest goes down like:

A. not many honest players care for starters. Some like me don't eve see the local chat. I go to my corp chat channel in hubs like Jita. .Since i am a one man its a wild party of 1 in there, woohoo!!! I hop to jita local chat once in a while...see the same contract scams I have for 7 years, laugh sometimes when I see ye old carbon/charon used (my fave scam attempt, I don't know why tbh)...and go yep its SSDD (hell years really), not a good thing in this case.


B. you aggravate people actually in there

C. you violate one of the basic rules of laying low in eve, don't talk crap in local. Unless you can back it up.

Let the scammers be....been here for years. My only gripe with them is if they lack originality. Be nice if they actually made something look new and interesting. But I am odd like that. In rl, I work IT. Some in my field go ballistic when a fisher/spammer writes mail that clears all filters (and we pay pretty pennies for this stuff).

Me...I go damn, old boy/girl actually impressed me and like it kind of. I see the low level trash the filters do pick up and pull. When I see fine quality spam/phishing come through it restores my faith in humanity that some of these people give 2 craps enough to work it and work it well. Scammers gonna scam. Thats a given. Lets have them step up the game a bit all I ask. Show some pride, not rehash the same crap again and again.

While all of this is true you missed my point and perhaps that is my fault.
In the real world you know who you are dealing with BEFORE the transactions take place. In EvE you do not know who you are dealing with until AFTER the transaction takes place this is a subtle but critical difference.
To use you as an example, if you set up a scam and I get idiotic and fall for it so I say never going to buy from that guy again, but there is no way in the game for me to know I am buying from you until after the transaction and then it is to late.

Going back to your response I do not agree, there are a number of ways that CCP could change the current system to prevent margin trading scams so I think it is more a matter of they do not want to change it and in reality I am fine with that. However I would like to see them make the character name of the seller a part of the information that is displayed, simple change that is easily done from a game code standpoint, would have minimal to no impact on the market as a whole, but it gives individual players another tool in the sandbox to extract some form of revenge.

margin scamming, like cloaky camping, will never be addressed.

if you don't have the isk, you don't get the market order. get isk or gtfo. good thing the margin scammers whining about this have 'safe space captains quarters or their pods would explode from their tears.

no consequence -if you place a 10b buy order without available funds and someone sells to you, they still get paid and scammer wallet goes negative and all their buy orders are cancelled until you have a positive wallet.
problem solved and scammer has learned a valuable lesson about making out checks their ass can't cover since there isn't a way to have dust-bunnies collect on them, break their legs, make them eat a curb, throw them covered in gravy into a fedo pit, shove experimental medical drones up their ass, space them, drop them on naked on Gulmorogod X for a fiscal ethics retreat, or give them a nice pair of cement shoes and a scenic view of the bottom of a lake.