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My current struggle...

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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
#1 - 2016-10-02 20:34:27 UTC
I'm posting this in New Citizens because except for exploration (data/relic), I feel like I'm an absolute beginner. I have basically maxed scanning / hacking skills and can easily take a jaunt out into nullsec via wormholes and come back with 100-150 million isk (the max I'm comfortable flying with before returning to sell it).

But now I'm looking to expand my horizons and there are so many various things I could do and so many ships and so many opinions as to the best way to go about it, I feel like I'm just spinning my wheels, ESPECIALLY where it comes to designating my skill queue. I guess it was a lot easier with exploration because it was very simple knowing what I needed to aim for.

Can anyone give me a guide (just general advice) when it comes to a direction for, say, running level 4 DED sites? I need a goal to aim for (ship to be able to fly, basic needs to fit it correctly) otherwise I'll keep floundering about. And while I love this game, I truly do, it's so easy to get lost in all the options and lose focus. I've bounced from wanting to run missions, to DED sites, to salvaging, etc . . . with the OVERALL goal of having steady income, plexing my account with the help of my PI (oh how I hate initially setting up all the colonies) and then, once I'm fully established, throwing caution to the wind and just start doing some pirate work in lowsec.

I'm struggling to FOCUS my current efforts.

Also, I've given in to a little bit of the paranoia that comes along with this game. Is there a way to share my current learned skills without giving account information or whatever so that someone can see where I'm at and help me go from there?

Thanks for whatever help you can give.

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Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-10-02 20:59:37 UTC
Maybe focus on finding a bigger community ? Flying always alone becomes boring and/or sad after some time.
Once in an active and populated corpo, you will certainly have much less problem to find a purpose on which to focus Blink
Swoop McFly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-10-02 21:00:43 UTC
Barnabas Fresante wrote:
Also, I've given in to a little bit of the paranoia that comes along with this game. Is there a way to share my current learned skills without giving account information or whatever so that someone can see where I'm at and help me go from there?


http://eveboard.com/


Btw. T1 frigs are cheap. Don't wait until you are "fully established" before you get into PvP, or you never will and just end up like those highsec carebears.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2016-10-02 21:24:27 UTC
look into the stratios, cloaks , tanks , hits like an angry ginger irishman so it can be legitimately scary.

works similarly to a vexor just with waaaaay more versatility.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#5 - 2016-10-02 22:48:53 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
look into the stratios, cloaks , tanks , hits like an angry ginger irishman so it can be legitimately scary.

works similarly to a vexor just with waaaaay more versatility.


Stratios is great, a Swiss army knife with drones and scanning bonuses, and it's a pretty decent hunter killer ship too. Drop a mobile depot and refit as needed.

I would also suggest the Gila. Either of those ships you can be in relatively quickly and you'll be doing DED 4/10's no problem.

@lunettelulu7

Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
#6 - 2016-10-02 23:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Barnabas Fresante
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
look into the stratios, cloaks , tanks , hits like an angry ginger irishman so it can be legitimately scary.

works similarly to a vexor just with waaaaay more versatility.


Stratios is great, a Swiss army knife with drones and scanning bonuses, and it's a pretty decent hunter killer ship too. Drop a mobile depot and refit as needed.

I would also suggest the Gila. Either of those ships you can be in relatively quickly and you'll be doing DED 4/10's no problem.


Would you say DED 4/10s and Level 4 missions are roughly equivalent so that if you're fitted for the one, you should be able to do the other? Do you have an example fit by chance? I'm currently more armor oriented in my SP, but if flying a stratios effectively is my goal, I don't mind setting a new plan for future SP. I can already fly a strat, but I don't think my skills are anywhere near where they should be to fly it "properly."

*edit* Also, are there weapon choices you should just stay away from? I currently have sentry drones queued up for 24 days so I can use Guarde IIs... is that worth it? How about railguns versus lasers? Or does everything work pretty much the same as long as you have the skills for them?
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#7 - 2016-10-03 00:20:36 UTC
Throwing another vote in for the Stratios, I knew someone who flew it when it first came out and Got some pretty amazing kills. Plus it has enough versatility in my own experience to handle complex anomalies with the addition of being able to escape and hide in systems with no station. Very solid ship, pretty easy to get into and the pricetag isn't awful either

♣ Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry ♣ 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing ♣

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Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
#8 - 2016-10-03 00:37:51 UTC
Ok, that's all the more encouragement I need to make the Stratios my goal. As I said, I can already fly it but its a whole different deal to fly it effectively. That's the plan, then. After all, I think it is by far the best looking ship in the game anyway.

Anyone with experience know the best way to kit it? shield or armor tank? Passive or active? Brawler or sniper? etc etc etc?
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#9 - 2016-10-03 00:44:49 UTC
I could ramble a while about how and why I rationalize things but I'll try to be concise! Smile

I still use Federation Navy and similar faction navy versions of the drones for Medium sized on up because the 24 day cost to train into T2 for a few extra points in DPS just isn't worth it to me- in that same time I could boost damage output of all of them by 20% for example by training Drone Interfacing V.

I'm not a missioner so I'm not sure what the difficulty comparatively between DED ratings and level of missions but 4/10's aren't that bad in my experience. I find the Sansha one to be the most difficult compared to other 4/10's I've run.

In less than a day, you can train into all the other gunnery based weapons systems to level III and use meta 4 versions of the guns. That's what I did and if it was something I absolutely loved I would take it further. As far as working the same.. well I guess it depends on what you're flying- I used to do public roams more often and the fits they called for ranged all over the place from Amarr Battlecruisers to kitchen sink Frigs so that's why I trained all over the place to give it all a fair try. I seem to use missiles and drones the most and shield buffer tank. Bear

Disclaimer: I'm not some fitting wizard but here's some examples of what I fly.

Quote:
[Stratios, Sister Lulu]

Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I
Drone Damage Amplifier I

Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
Phased Scoped Target Painter
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Thermal Dissipation Field I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Gecko x2
Federation Navy Garde x4
Caldari Navy Warden x4
Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x5


This is what I fly almost exclusively anymore:

Quote:
[Gila, Lulu]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Warp Disruptor II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x4
Hornet EC-300 x4


Nova Light Missile x1444
Mjolnir Fury Light Missile x3000
Inferno Fury Light Missile x5144


I pack a Mobile Depot and a core probe launcher just incase I get stuck somewhere. I can run 4/10's no problem even though it's a PVP version and I seem to swim in troubled waters often so that's why I don't go for pure PVE fits like I used to.

The upfront cost does seem high but both these ships will make you so much money so it's definitely worth it.

@lunettelulu7

Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#10 - 2016-10-03 00:48:00 UTC
So the PVP Fit i know works well is as follows you may need to faction fit or Meta Fit some items to fit everything depending on your skills, Play around with it a bit but it should give you the right idea

HS:
Smokescreen Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
3x Medium Energy Neutralizers

MS:
Dark Blood Small Capacitor booster II
Fed Navy Web
Sansha Scrambler
C-Type 10mn Afterburner
Target painter

LS:
Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
x2 A-Type Adaptive Nano Plates
1600mm Plate II
Reactive Hardener

Rigging:
x3 Medium Trimark Armor Pump

Cargo/Drones:
Nanite Pastes
probes
Depot
Ogre II
Geckos
Hammerhead II
Hobgoblin II


but as with anything fits are situational, this is just a fit from a pilot i know who has had a lot of success with it over the years. Best of luck to you wherever you land.

♣ Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry ♣ 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing ♣

This Message Brought to you by a sweet and sour bittervet

Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
#11 - 2016-10-03 01:03:35 UTC
Lulu Lunette wrote:
In less than a day, you can train into all the other gunnery based weapons systems to level III and use meta 4 versions of the guns.


Thanks for your fitting suggestions, but what do you mean by using meta 4 versions? I'm familiar with tech 1, tech 2, faction fittings and such, but what are you referring to by meta 4?

By buffer fit, I'm assuming you just mean that you have so much shield that by the time the engagement is over the enemy hasn't h ad a chance to cut through it all, right? I've always understood that buffer is for pvp and active is for pve? Am I wrong or is it just not that simple?
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#12 - 2016-10-03 01:07:58 UTC
Barnabas Fresante wrote:
Lulu Lunette wrote:
In less than a day, you can train into all the other gunnery based weapons systems to level III and use meta 4 versions of the guns.


Thanks for your fitting suggestions, but what do you mean by using meta 4 versions? I'm familiar with tech 1, tech 2, faction fittings and such, but what are you referring to by meta 4?

By buffer fit, I'm assuming you just mean that you have so much shield that by the time the engagement is over the enemy hasn't h ad a chance to cut through it all, right? I've always understood that buffer is for pvp and active is for pve? Am I wrong or is it just not that simple?


Meta 4 means if you open the "variations" tab under show info it will be under the first box, last in the list usually, right before faction. For example "arbalest" torpedo launchers are Meta 4.

And buffer can go PVE but it relies on gank and mitigation, you need to reduce incoming DPS as much as possible and have enough DPS to clear out the objective before it kills you, hence it isn't as popular but thanks to depots and such its a sinch to refit on the fly

♣ Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry ♣ 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing ♣

This Message Brought to you by a sweet and sour bittervet

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#13 - 2016-10-03 01:57:11 UTC
Holy unnecessary bling batman.
also eeeeeeeeeeeew shield strat.
you see what we mean about it having versatility though.

heres something practical and probably inline with your current skills
[Stratios, Reasonable Fit]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Warp Scrambler II
Medium Capacitor Booster II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
10MN Afterburner II

Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


Vespa II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Hammerhead II x6
Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Acolyte II x8
Infiltrator II x5

Nanite Repair Paste x46
Core Scanner Probe I x16
Navy Cap Booster 400 x23

i keep a rep,hacking mods and an m-depo in the hold and swap out the plate and add guns for pve.
Barnabas Fresante
Jack Trades Unlimited
#14 - 2016-10-03 02:28:50 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Holy unnecessary bling batman.
also eeeeeeeeeeeew shield strat.
you see what we mean about it having versatility though.

heres something practical and probably inline with your current skills
[Stratios, Reasonable Fit]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Warp Scrambler II
Medium Capacitor Booster II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
10MN Afterburner II

Medium Gremlin Compact Energy Neutralizer
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


Vespa II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Hammerhead II x6
Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Acolyte II x8
Infiltrator II x5

Nanite Repair Paste x46
Core Scanner Probe I x16
Navy Cap Booster 400 x23

i keep a rep,hacking mods and an m-depo in the hold and swap out the plate and add guns for pve.


How would you change this for for a pure pve fit?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2016-10-03 02:41:24 UTC
swap the plate for a rep,
swap the neuts for lazorz.
swap the scram for ... ehh whatever non bloodthirsty savages use instead of scrams.

you have a hudge cargo so you can carry a couple of fits and field strip the hull and do something different if you want
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#16 - 2016-10-03 02:45:46 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
swap the plate for a rep,
swap the neuts for lazorz.
swap the scram for ... ehh whatever non bloodthirsty savages use instead of scrams.

you have a hudge cargo so you can carry a couple of fits and field strip the hull and do something different if you want


Tracking computer either for drones or lasers, which i'm surprised blood thirsty savages don't know about. Really you should try it, its like honey roasted parsnips, for better or worse you'll never forget them.

♣ Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry ♣ 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing ♣

This Message Brought to you by a sweet and sour bittervet

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#17 - 2016-10-03 02:56:19 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
swap the plate for a rep,
swap the neuts for lazorz.
swap the scram for ... ehh whatever non bloodthirsty savages use instead of scrams.

you have a hudge cargo so you can carry a couple of fits and field strip the hull and do something different if you want


Tracking computer either for drones or lasers, which i'm surprised blood thirsty savages don't know about. Really you should try it, its like honey roasted parsnips, for better or worse you'll never forget them.

bah, im an Armour Brawler through and through so those mids are generally spoken for
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#18 - 2016-10-03 12:13:31 UTC
Barnabas Fresante wrote:


Would you say DED 4/10s and Level 4 missions are roughly equivalent so that if you're fitted for the one, you should be able to do the other? Do you have an example fit by chance? I'm currently more armor oriented in my SP, but if flying a stratios effectively is my goal, I don't mind setting a new plan for future SP. I can already fly a strat, but I don't think my skills are anywhere near where they should be to fly it "properly."

*edit* Also, are there weapon choices you should just stay away from? I currently have sentry drones queued up for 24 days so I can use Guarde IIs... is that worth it? How about railguns versus lasers? Or does everything work pretty much the same as long as you have the skills for them?



DED 4/10 are FAR easier than lvl 4 missions. Most can be cleared with relative ease in a T1 cruiser (vexor or caracal for example) with a few months worth of skill points, although going navy/faction/T2 speeds up the process a bit. T3 cruisers and BS are not allowed in 4/10 and below.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#19 - 2016-10-03 12:56:34 UTC
Time spent training core Navigation and Engineering skills is never time wasted.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#20 - 2016-10-03 13:02:25 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Time spent training core Navigation and Engineering skills is never time wasted.

likewise with drones
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