Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My scimitar can lock ten targets. You have just made it impossible to jam. Congratulations.

Ships that have high number of locks just need lots of modules focused on them. It is not too hard for an ECM dedicated ship to have 3-4 jamming modules and with tier 2 modules, even at a 50% jam rate that would mean losing 4 locks every cycle. You could also reduce the cycle time down to maybe 10 seconds so that lost locks occur more often.

As for logistic ships having high max locks that's acceptable because those are the ships that are designed to be hard to jam. And even if they are only losing 4 out of 10 or more locks that still makes it hard to get repair out to your fleet especially if targets are consistently being lost. With two or three ships focused on them they may only have access to a sporadic one or two target locks available to them.

And facing one Damping ship makes Logi useless? No, it makes the Logi less viable just as one Jamming ship would. In either case, if tactics and preparations are set to handle it then you can work around it.

And as for the balancing of how powerful individual modules are; I'm not saying I'm getting it perfect, just introducing a change in how the mechanic could work which I think could be better balanced than how things currently are.

And in a small gang will you always have ten or more ally targets to lock, that need repairing? If you are down to 4-6 members you will consistently lose lock on the members you want to repair, and if you decide to fill your lock targets with non-allies to decrease the chance of losing a valuable one, the max target limit debuff will make it so that you need to untarget and retarget whenever a valuable one is lost, costing precious time. In fact the best way to deal with this would be to consistently keep a couple target slots open so that you can quickly re-target a necessary ship if you lose lock on it.

I'm really not convinced that this system is all that much of a nerf. It would still be quite strong and likely much more versatile than tracking disruptors, but just like tracking disruptors can be strong in certain cases so would these Jams, and just like you stated Damps are strong in certain cases and yet weak in other areas, like brawling gangs.

From my experience, no.

In a small high-speed gang, the Logi will be flying at range and buzzing back and forth between those who needs reps while staying away from hostiles.
They generally don't have more than 3 to 5 people locked at any given time because they lose target locks on people who fly out of range... which they then have to buzz back to when they are in danger.



Unless you are in a combat group where everyone is fit for mutual remote repairing... Logi pilots who do this are shot on principle by their own gangs.

There is rarely a good reason why a Logi pilot should target lock a hostile target when their sole purpose is to keep people alive.



CTRL-SHIFT-left click (unlocks target)... from the list of target locks you have.
CTRL-left click (locks target)... from your watchlist and/or broadcast log.

The only time you lose is locking time... which is about 2 to 5 seconds.


Logis also prioritize Fleet Commanders and "expensive" / "high value ships" before the gang is underway. A good logi pilot can almost anticipate who to target and when for reps.



Except that is also a "trick situation." Logi should never be in the middle of a "brawl" as they will be set as the primary target for all hostiles on the field.

The common tactic is to have Logi as far away as possible from the fighting... often supported by an ECM ship to neutralize hostiles that break away from the main group to intercept the Logi.

This is why Damps (and Energy Neuts) are actually preferred against Logi in most fights... not ECM.