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CCP Please reconsider adding cyno skill to alpha clone

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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
The Initiative.
#1 - 2016-10-02 11:59:50 UTC
Thank god for help solo play even just a little its crazy that people have to pay for a second account just to play solo like having a scout alt for example. However its equally crazy that i have to pay an account subscription just to have a cyno alt. Yes thats right a plex a month just to jump my capital ship thats insane and im considering unsubbing my second account and not having a capital because its juts not value for money to be doing that.

So please please consider having the cyno skill added to the trainable skills in alpha clone. At the moment playing solo for people to be effective you need to buy a second a account and thats a big issue. And before people say join a corp yada yada well of course personally i am but like the stats say many people in corps i think ut was about 70% still play solo.

Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2016-10-02 12:03:34 UTC
Friends, you should get some - they would be far more helpful than the self-entitled whining evident here

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
The Initiative.
#3 - 2016-10-02 12:35:36 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that

Then don't. Ask a friend you trust to light a cyno. Or take gates. Or set up some PI characters on the cyno account and pay for plex that way.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-10-02 12:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
tiberiusric wrote:

Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that



They've done so for years, why should this change in the new clone changes. Want the cap, want the alt cyno to move it around.
Way its been for years. Leads to super fun with sitter alts, whats the safest way to make them fall off the server? Sitter alt and log off.


This too much burden, run the one account. Caps were by design fleet ships. They were meant to need others to keep them from getting blown up. The trend of carrier ratting an exception to this really. And that solo carrier ratter takes their chances that it caught sleeping on the belts/CA's things can go bad quickly.

And the usual do you want the blobs to have free and expansive cyno networks up and running. this is the tradeoff, and a good one, to the current system. want the cyno network, want to find ways to pay for that.

And the added lets look at the solo carrier ratter. Lets be nice and have ship paid off. They need to clear 2 billion to be profitable. ! bit per account. Many do this...and so much more. Do we need them making this even more profitable removing the 1 bil for plex on the cyno?
Per cyno in th case of the several account junkies.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
The Initiative.
#5 - 2016-10-02 13:44:25 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that

Then don't. Ask a friend you trust to light a cyno. Or take gates. Or set up some PI characters on the cyno account and pay for plex that way.


So you have just completely missed the point..

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit

tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
The Initiative.
#6 - 2016-10-02 13:48:16 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:

Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that



They've done so for years, why should this change in the new clone changes. Want the cap, want the alt cyno to move it around.
Way its been for years. Leads to super fun with sitter alts, whats the safest way to make them fall off the server? Sitter alt and log off.


This too much burden, run the one account. Caps were by design fleet ships. They were meant to need others to keep them from getting blown up. The trend of carrier ratting an exception to this really. And that solo carrier ratter takes their chances that it caught sleeping on the belts/CA's things can go bad quickly.

And the usual do you want the blobs to have free and expansive cyno networks up and running. this is the tradeoff, and a good one, to the current system. want the cyno network, want to find ways to pay for that.

And the added lets look at the solo carrier ratter. Lets be nice and have ship paid off. They need to clear 2 billion to be profitable. ! bit per account. Many do this...and so much more. Do we need them making this even more profitable removing the 1 bil for plex on the cyno?
Per cyno in th case of the several account junkies.


I quite frankly dont give 2 fs if thia is how its been for years. And i know cos ive been playing for 13 years! The fact is why should i or anyone pay an extra month sub just to have a cap or even move it. Yes we have been dumb then to pay it for years.
Whats surprising me more is that your actually arguing against it.

Look if you want to pay for a second account just to jump a ship then more fool you. Me i would rather unsub my second account rve isnt worth paying 2 subs for anymore.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit

Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#7 - 2016-10-02 13:59:48 UTC
In that case, don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
The Initiative.
#8 - 2016-10-02 14:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
Arden Elenduil wrote:
In that case, don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out


Here troll.the same ol bs lines you like. The only person losing out here is ccp and less subs. I can quite happily invest my money elsewhere. I dont need eve 13 years of my subs with constant crap updates doesnt excite me anymore. And attitude like yours is the reason why eve is going down the pan. But hey who cares right

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-10-02 15:54:26 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Arden Elenduil wrote:
In that case, don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out


Here troll.the same ol bs lines you like. The only person losing out here is ccp and less subs. I can quite happily invest my money elsewhere. I dont need eve 13 years of my subs with constant crap updates doesnt excite me anymore. And attitude like yours is the reason why eve is going down the pan. But hey who cares right



don't worry, there will be thousands of other cap pilots who have worked out the mystery of carrier ratting to be profitable enough to plex 2 accounts...with lots of isk made over that, to keep the server going. You are trying to generate empathy/sympathy in an area where you will find none really.

Its your brothers and sisters making billions carrier ratting that have us go you know...when they make say 6 billions a month we aren't saying man it sucks they have to spend 2 billion on plex for 2 accounts. we are saying yeah, take the the 4 billion net and have a nice day really.


You see your situation of its just my 1 cyno, what the big deal? Others like me see it as PL, goons, etc having hundreds of these up and running in no time at all. For free. Big issue there really. I know....punished for the blob as a soloist. Eve is an mmo. CCP has to factor in people will play as a social group. Freaky thing I know...social play in an MMO, wtf are they thinking? Social groups which tend to get large at times.






Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#10 - 2016-10-02 16:20:01 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Friends, you should get some - they would be far more helpful than the self-entitled whining evident here


Before you pass judgement here and think some are elitist for solo play always take into consideration that EVE is a game where people turn on you for a few ISK, the scams, thefts, blue shooters, etc, people have made EVE what it is, if this guy can't trust anyone then its a fault in the community no?

Requesting something, a service....when has this been wrong, the squeaky wheel gets greased, nothing wrong with stating ones wants and needs.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2016-10-02 16:22:53 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Friends, you should get some - they would be far more helpful than the self-entitled whining evident here


Before you pass judgement here and think some are elitist for solo play always take into consideration that EVE is a game where people turn on you for a few ISK, the scams, thefts, blue shooters, etc, people have made EVE what it is, if this guy can't trust anyone then its a fault in the community no?

Requesting something, a service....when has this been wrong, the squeaky wheel gets greased, nothing wrong with stating ones wants and needs.

but thats not what hes asking for though is it, hes asking for free infini cynos and thats bad.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2016-10-02 17:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Piugattuk wrote:
Requesting something, a service....when has this been wrong, the squeaky wheel gets greased, nothing wrong with stating ones wants and needs.

Requesting something is one thing, doing so without a single second thought beyond the very tiny puddle this guy is drowning in is another. Just a single second thought even remotely in the direction that Zan Shiro pointed out in his last comment would have made you reconsider your "suggestion" because this will allow these groups to have so many cynos flying around that you won't have to worry about your capital ship, mining fleet, ratting fleet or whatever for long. I would also love to reactivate 2 dormant accounts, train the 6 guys on these accounts for cynos and then spread them around in fancy places. But I see the dramatic downsides of this desire and the downsides are not worth the added convenience for me.

However, it is reassuring to see that 2 of the points of people arguing against F2P come true so quickly: People just want more, more, more of it, and the level of denseness is going to increase.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#13 - 2016-10-02 17:16:15 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Friends, you should get some - they would be far more helpful than the self-entitled whining evident here


Before you pass judgement here and think some are elitist for solo play always take into consideration that EVE is a game where people turn on you for a few ISK, the scams, thefts, blue shooters, etc, people have made EVE what it is, if this guy can't trust anyone then its a fault in the community no?

Requesting something, a service....when has this been wrong, the squeaky wheel gets greased, nothing wrong with stating ones wants and needs.

but thats not what hes asking for though is it, hes asking for free infini cynos and thats bad.



I agree 100% that it is bad, I just have no problem with anyone asking for something good or bad, doesn't make them self-entitled, self interested yes, but who isn't.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#14 - 2016-10-02 17:18:41 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Requesting something, a service....when has this been wrong, the squeaky wheel gets greased, nothing wrong with stating ones wants and needs.

Requesting something is one thing, doing so without a single second thought beyond the very tiny puddle this guy is drowning in is another. Just a single second thought even remotely in the direction that Zan Shiro pointed out in his last comment would have made you reconsider your "suggestion" because this will allow these groups to have so many cynos flying around that you won't have to worry about your capital ship, mining fleet, ratting fleet or whatever for long. I would also love to reactivate 2 dormant accounts, train the 6 guys on these accounts for cynos and then spread them around in fancy places. But I see the dramatic downsides of this desire and the downsides are not worth the added convenience for me.

However, it is reassuring to see that 2 of the points of people arguing against F2P come true so quickly: People just want more, more, more of it, and the level of denseness is going to increase.



Agreed, but if people would think things through we would have had fewer wars, less killing, and empty jail cells, human nature, we are still tree swingers at heart.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#15 - 2016-10-02 17:32:59 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Friends, you should get some - they would be far more helpful than the self-entitled whining evident here


Before you pass judgement here and think some are elitist for solo play always take into consideration that EVE is a game where people turn on you for a few ISK, the scams, thefts, blue shooters, etc, people have made EVE what it is, if this guy can't trust anyone then its a fault in the community no?

Requesting something, a service....when has this been wrong, the squeaky wheel gets greased, nothing wrong with stating ones wants and needs.



It's basically his fault that he can't/won't socialize to the degree necessary that he builds relationships within a corp to the point that he trusts others. Don't forget that a lot of other people rely on their corpmates to light cynos; why should he be the exception?

Besides, look at the way he worded his OP: pure self-entitlement!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
The Initiative.
#16 - 2016-10-02 21:41:50 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that

Then don't. Ask a friend you trust to light a cyno. Or take gates. Or set up some PI characters on the cyno account and pay for plex that way.


So you have just completely missed the point..

Then enlighten me. You seem to want a way to move your capital ship around without paying for a cyno alt. I have graciously provided you with multiple ways to avoid such an issue.

Also, if you plan on quitting, can i have your stuff?

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!

erittainvarma
Fistful of Finns
#17 - 2016-10-03 07:05:52 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Thank god for help solo play even just a little its crazy that people have to pay for a second account just to play solo like having a scout alt for example. However its equally crazy that i have to pay an account subscription just to have a cyno alt. Yes thats right a plex a month just to jump my capital ship thats insane and im considering unsubbing my second account and not having a capital because its juts not value for money to be doing that.

So please please consider having the cyno skill added to the trainable skills in alpha clone. At the moment playing solo for people to be effective you need to buy a second a account and thats a big issue. And before people say join a corp yada yada well of course personally i am but like the stats say many people in corps i think ut was about 70% still play solo.

Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that

Pay for second account, but extract and sell skillpoints. 2x 4+ implants should make you break even. Your problem solved and rest of EVE won't get ****** up.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-10-03 08:54:47 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Again i dont see why i should pay for a second account to jump a capital about its just ridiculous of ccp to keep expecting players to.pay for that

Then don't. Ask a friend you trust to light a cyno. Or take gates. Or set up some PI characters on the cyno account and pay for plex that way.


That, or you know, don't use a capital. faction battleships are often a better choice.
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#19 - 2016-10-03 13:37:49 UTC
I'm in PL, and guess what. I recently had to move 2 capitals halfway across New Eden. I did 2/3 of the trip by myself, using only a singly cyno character. Took the better part of a day, but it was lowsec, so pretty risk-free. The last leg of the trip was nullsec though, but what did I do, I talked to people in my corp and they provided me with safe cynos to jump to. See, I talked to people and was able to jump the most dangerous part of the journey with virtually no risk.

That aside, capitals aren't meant to be used solo, which is why the cyno mechanic exists.