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Aunenen - Keepstar fiasco

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DragonHelm III
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#1 - 2016-10-02 11:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DragonHelm III
submitted 7 hours ago * by Lenny_Kravitz2 wrote:
Hello Reddit,
Over the last few days there has been a little bit of confusion with the anchoring of a citadel under the Care for Kids banner recently and I wanted to give you a quick update to let you know what was happening.
Before we cover this particular citadel, let’s just go over a bit of background information on the trade network and what this particular citadel is for. Jita, as a centralised market hub will always exist (in one form or another). However, I firmly believe that a connected trade network that can service low and null sec will bring a great deal more content and excitement to the game. A trade network, to be successful needs to be independent of all entities and remain free ported to everyone, regardless of the circumstances. Chribba will therefore be acting as overseer of the project, distributing ISK and auditing when required.
Since this project's initial announcement, the level of support and number of parties interested has grown significantly - not because they are paid or obligated, but because they see the benefit a neutral trade network will bring to the game. A few examples of alliances included are: Project Mayhem, Snuffed Out, WAFFLES., Shadow Cartel, Darkness (and Guardians of the Galaxy by extension), Circle of Two, Northern Coalition., Pandemic Legion, Legion of xXDEATHXx, Stainwagon, Triumvirate. (and Vanguard), Chaos Theory, Fidelas Constans (FCon and Phoenix Coalition), The Initiative., Mercenary Coalition and of course Care for Kids.
I can understand the confusion with this particular citadel being dropped under the Care for Kids banner, however with the number of people involved in this project (including major and minor alliances) the citadels at this stage aren’t really under threat, so this wasn’t done as “cover”.
This project is far too big for one person to undertake alone and by extension, even one alliance. Therefore regions have been broken up and different alliances will be dropping the required citadels in various locations, while other participant members assist in offering protection. As 25% of the profits of the trade network will be donated to Eve goodwill projects (Care for Kids included in that) they were also involved in anchoring 1 of the many citadels.
For me personally, this isn’t a for profit activity - I will however be the one investing the initial seed capital to get the project off the ground. The citadels will have a low 1% brokers fee and the profit distribution of that will be released shortly.
In slightly related news, because of the time investment required for this project, I will be stepping down from IWI to focus on this project full time and retiring from active participation in gambling sites (this includes selling my shares).
Keep posted over the next few weeks as we’ll be releasing the full details of the new trade network.
Taken from Reddit!!

If true then is CCP going to take action here.
This seems like somebody abusing terminally ill kids and/or impersonating a charity both illegal IRL and anyone found guilty of this should be banned from playing ANY game where the age limit is less than 16 as a minimum.
Apologies for bad formatting i'm not good at that.
Also, looks like a CCP ban on casinos is incoming so please nobody fall for it and invest in them get your ISK out NOW
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2016-10-02 12:07:06 UTC
Considering that he's donating 25% of the profit to Care4Kids/Plex4Good, I fail to see how he's impersonating a charity. I'd also like some evidence beyond your say-so on that casino ban.

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Ginger Naari
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-10-02 12:19:26 UTC
If the above post is true, and it probably is..

I'm not too comfortable with anyone with any connection to a gambling site having anything to do with raising isk for charity this way..it just doesn't sit well somehow.
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#4 - 2016-10-02 12:30:58 UTC
I see nothing criminal in this initiative. Considering how big a blob of nullsec alliances Lenny has managed to amass, they would've embarked on this Keepstar network project regardless of the charity part. Now, if that citadel ever gets attacked by a sizeable enough force, and the "care for kids" card is used as a propaganda tool against the attackers, then this will, indeed, suck balls. Not that it's going to happen in the forseeable future: as we've learnt, Keepstars today are virtually unassailable, unless you completely roflstomp the alliance anchoring it (while the citadel is not even online!).

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2016-10-02 13:16:36 UTC
How can ISK be used for charitable purposes without RMT being involved somewhere down the line?

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Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2016-10-02 13:33:05 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
How can ISK be used for charitable purposes without RMT being involved somewhere down the line?

Plex for Good?

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#7 - 2016-10-02 14:10:21 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
How can ISK be used for charitable purposes without RMT being involved somewhere down the line?


Well from what I gather, basically they ask for ISK to pay for the event they host ingame, the usual 'come blow my Titan up' has to be paid for, and while they are at it, they link their paypal or their gofundme or whatever method they monetize themselves with.

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Ronove Los
Outer Harbor
#8 - 2016-10-02 14:17:39 UTC
As long as CCP makes money out of these casino/gambling sites, i think they'll keep turning a blind eye to the RMT that happens within these sites. Perhaps when it becomes too obvious or when CCP doesn't make any more money out of them, they'll step in and close it down.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-10-02 15:36:26 UTC
DragonHelm III wrote:

Also, looks like a CCP ban on casinos is incoming so please nobody fall for it and invest in them get your ISK out NOW

Proof?

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Toobo
Project Fruit House
#10 - 2016-10-02 16:23:24 UTC
Cleanest way would have been if Lenny just took more % of the profits and donated from his personal ISK wallet during PLEX for good and such while having the in game business operation not tied to out of game charities.

Not because I think anything is shady, but fighting against a charity corp/alliance would be meh, and puts out of game spin on the evil power and greed based game play conflicts that EVE is famous for.

Having said that, I don't think OP has any legitimate evidence to accuse RMT and such.

I personally gained a lot (not just ISK) from IWI and Chribba's always been my hero in EVE. If there is anything illegal or RMT involved with the project I would trust Chribba not to take any part in it. And also, Lenny pulling out from IWI is the right and respectful move in this situation.

So until proven with real evidence about anything illegal or EULA/TOS breaking, I shall keep my neutral trust.

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#11 - 2016-10-02 17:17:41 UTC
Too say like the regular players of EVE that really dont give a bublegum about anyones assets..... so what?


If its possible to shot Down, it wil at some point be shot Down.


There is noone than CCP to blame for it.

CCP made EVE like this, so deal With losses.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#12 - 2016-10-02 17:23:48 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Too say like the regular players of EVE that really dont give a bublegum about anyones assets..... so what?


If its possible to shot Down, it wil at some point be shot Down.


There is noone than CCP to blame for it.

CCP made EVE like this, so deal With losses.





I read this and could only think of that Black Sabbath song, the mob rules
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-10-02 17:37:05 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Too say like the regular players of EVE that really dont give a bublegum about anyones assets..... so what?


If its possible to shot Down, it wil at some point be shot Down.


There is noone than CCP to blame for it.

CCP made EVE like this, so deal With losses.





I read this and could only think of that Black Sabbath song, the mob rules


Great. Now I have to go watch Heavy Metal again. Thanks a lot.

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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries
#14 - 2016-10-02 17:46:50 UTC
Btw... If CCP decided to reimburse or reinstate or bring back that Citadel, all hell will break loose. Then all the ganking victims will f... up the Ticketsystem With demands to get their 109th ships back they lost while afk mining... or those lost their ships, in low or null, to hotdropping while ratting.


In my mind, i hope they kill all citadels in hi and lowsec.... Twisted
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#15 - 2016-10-02 18:14:22 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:
Too say like the regular players of EVE that really dont give a bublegum about anyones assets..... so what?


If its possible to shot Down, it wil at some point be shot Down.


There is noone than CCP to blame for it.

CCP made EVE like this, so deal With losses.





I read this and could only think of that Black Sabbath song, the mob rules


Great. Now I have to go watch Heavy Metal again. Thanks a lot.



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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2016-10-02 22:49:55 UTC
I can appreciate the idea of a neutral market network and gathering support from a lot of major factions. This, to me, is what EVE is all about. This level of grand politics and player initiative is amazing, and exactly what Citadels were designed for. I can't wait until this market network is online and inevitably draws enough attention to escalate into a major conflict. Because it will, one way or the other one of those Keepstars is going to die sooner or later.

That said, putting these Keepstars up under the ruse of a charity is despicable. I don't give a single sh*t how much Lenny wants to pretend he's doing this 'for the kids', we all know this is entire thing is a matter of self gratification. Not necessarily with money, there's also power and fame that comes with game altering projects like this. It's about getting rich, famous and powerful first and foremost, with a charity thrown on as an afterthought for good appearance. In that regard Lenny has taken some valuable lessons from real world companies. But if this really was primarily a charity he'd give away a lot more than just 25% of the profit. That's almost insultingly low.

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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-10-03 01:10:42 UTC
That IWI guy isn't right, him in contact with anything charitable makes me queasy.


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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#18 - 2016-10-03 04:32:21 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
I can appreciate the idea of a neutral market network and gathering support from a lot of major factions. This, to me, is what EVE is all about. This level of grand politics and player initiative is amazing, and exactly what Citadels were designed for. I can't wait until this market network is online and inevitably draws enough attention to escalate into a major conflict. Because it will, one way or the other one of those Keepstars is going to die sooner or later.

That said, putting these Keepstars up under the ruse of a charity is despicable. I don't give a single sh*t how much Lenny wants to pretend he's doing this 'for the kids', we all know this is entire thing is a matter of self gratification. Not necessarily with money, there's also power and fame that comes with game altering projects like this. It's about getting rich, famous and powerful first and foremost, with a charity thrown on as an afterthought for good appearance. In that regard Lenny has taken some valuable lessons from real world companies. But if this really was primarily a charity he'd give away a lot more than just 25% of the profit. That's almost insultingly low.

This is exactly it for me as well. I dont care that the guy will get rich or famous. Its the blurred lines between in game and RL that is starting to be crossed here and the bigger picture of how CCP wants to present Eve in a sense in regards to how far is too far.

Itll be an interesting thing to keep an eye on though.

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Toobo
Project Fruit House
#19 - 2016-10-03 06:51:08 UTC
I'm not sure if we should judge how much people 'donate' to chritable causes, and my thoughts on this are same both in game and IRL. Charity is not something to be expected or demanded, and it's silly to criticise someone or organisation for not 'donating enough', and to call any donation, regardless of where/who it comes from 'insultingly low' is definitely not in good spirit of charity.

Bill Gates IRL donates incredible amount of money, but if he never ever donated a single penny, or only donated a penny per year, I would not criticise him in anyway whatsoever on this front.

People should not 'expect' charity and donations by default. It's a nice thing when someone does it, but nothing to be criticised of if someone doesn't do it or do it in the amount you think is 'not enough'. I'm just not with that whole way of thinking both IRL and in game.



Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#20 - 2016-10-03 09:28:41 UTC
so we can anchor keepstars safely by just donating 25% to a charity and saying we are doing it for charity? Shocked

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