Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is more accurate to say there is overlap. Right now in New York it is 6:13 PM in Germany it is 12:13 AM. At 8 PM it will be 2 AM in Germany, so start ratting at 8 PM if you live in the East Coast TZ.

Like I said, change the calculus for the other side. That is something those who are being cloaky camped can do and to be honest they should do, not have CCP do it for them.

I think he was responding to my comment that I am in the Pacific TZ. If I log on at 8 PM then it is 4 AM in Germany...they are, with high probability asleep. One might push it to midnight even 2 AM, but 4 AM...not unless you don't have to work the next day.

You are a WH operation, one system, you play in the main TZ, you are giving your view based on your own experience. How many Aussies do you have and early EU TZ do you have?

A simple check of Zkill for Static Noise shows 1st October no kills/losses between 07:54 to 16:34, 30th Sept, nothing between 04:47 to 23:21, the previous day nothing between 08:45 to 17:30. There is a bit of a pattern here don't you think?

So I went back through the killboard and I did see one kill by one person just after DT, then I saw weekend kills which showed good coverage, but I can safely say that during the week you do not have full coverage from 06:50 to 16:30. Which is why engaging with you is a bit of a joke because you are a dishonest poster, demonstrably so.

There you go my little fruit cake...

And what exactly can I do to you if I am 100% safe? Answer, nothing.

Rubbish, the AFK cloaky camper is normally used by old players with lots of ISK who don't have to grind, to camp people in newer smaller alliances who have to grind to build up to compete with them and to get easy kills, it has a major economical impact and one of the reasons CCP loses players. It is why older players love it so much, because they can farm newer players and feel all superior...

This is what you said:



And now you are admitting that statement is incorrect, which was the objective of my reply..

There is no direct influence on the game. And if you had bothered to quote the whole sentence you would see I even acknowledged there was a psychological effect. Are you just looking to argue over something?

Even you have to admit there is no direct mechanical influence someone cloaked in a safe spot can have on other players in the game, let alone someone cloaked in a safe who is not at the keyboard. They are absolutely prevented by the game mechanics from interacting with any other thing in space. Yes, it causes players to behave differently if they think they might be under imminent attack, but there is no direct influence on the game.

Bluffing, misdirection, threatening, feinting and lying are all valid psychological strategies to attack your opponents in this wonderfully complex game that is Eve. Presenting myself as going to attack you by placing a cloaked scout in your system, whether or not I intend to do so, is a legal stratagem. This may cause you to change your behaviour, but you are not suppose to be able eliminate all risk of attack and your income is intended to be disruptable by the other players.

You are not playing a single player game. Other players get to attack you, and can do that (or posture like they are going to) without your permission. It is kinda the point of a full-time PvP sandbox game.

That is very much intended. Having the Sword of Damocles over your head is part of the game, especially in nullsec. The threat of unwanted visitors is how nullsec has been designed.

I get that that affects people's game play but it's how CCP wants the game to work. You can complain or assert it would be better if groups could eliminate any risk of being dropped on, but CCP has intentionally designed the game to keep players in nullsec at risk to each other. Nothing is broken here. Maybe another system might be better at generating conflict in which AFK cloaking isn't a thing, but if CCP ever implements this hypothetical alternative it will also feature the ability of groups to hotdrop your ratters and miners and/or disrupt your resource gathering operations in other ways.

You seem to be taking issue with the fundamental design of the game. CCP is never going to let groups live in nullsec at no risk to each other, or without the ability to disrupt each others' income sources. Not only would that be boring, it would break the fundamental design of the game where we are each others' content, and are competing in a shared universe for resources.

Waffling? I explicitly have said twice in this thread that there should be a counter to AFK cloaking. And there likely will be by this time next year from what CCP Fozzie has said and the comments CCP has made about the upcoming Observatory Array.

Are you just angry that CCP is not implementing your pet solution? At the very least you should give CCP the 6-12 months or whatever they need to finish implementing the structures to address this issue.

But I reiterate: this "destructive impact" as you describe it is completely intended. CCP wants the ability to put pressure on nullsec income to exist to other groups. CCP likely will eventually get around to improving this dynamic and providing a direct counter to AFK cloaking, but the same effect of disrupting nullsec groups (and causing a "destructive impact") will be possible through other means. Maybe you will approve of these replacement methods (although I think you will object on some grounds) or maybe not, but I guess since you won't be around to see them it really doesn't matter.

Well, fly safe wherever you end up Dracvlad. I hope you find another game that suits your desires and sense of fairness better.

And as I said before, we have full coverage across timezones. We don't have enough to actively hunt in certain zones, but we have a standing defensive fleet 24/7. I said that before.

We don't typically get attacked in home. When people jump in and see dozens of citadels in a single system, they typically are overly cautious. Take steps to defend your space. That's been the point all along. You do bring up a good point though. We have one system. For a group with only a dozen or two online at once, you SHOULD only have one, maybe two systems so that you have numbers to defend your territory. Null entities could take a page from that book. Don't have a dozen system that you can't defend.

I'm far from dishonest. I'm just realistic about what it takes to defend hostile space. You don't seem to be the same.

You are probably asking why I as a WHer care about an AFK flag, when it doesn't affect me at all. Philosophically I think NS is far, far too safe as it stands. It's nearly safer than HS at this point. I don't like that. That safety is why I left null in the first place. WHs and LS are the only parts of the game left that have the danger EVE was built on. I want to see that change. That's my issue here.