Intergalactic Summit

It seems you only serve to further my point of a blinded empire.You can't shade her words in anything other than greed, so you seek to dismiss me based on my chosen name; the allusion of which seems to far removed to ever be in your reach. I am not questioning the lord as the lords work is never done, I cant smile through my dismay however.





There is always time to contemplate ones own position. Only when stripped of everything can we truly gain anything.



I have smeared nothing. The only thing i have done is brought her own words to bear before a public that seems to have forgotten who she is.

I was talking about this

How could his name be smeared by granting him land to govern and subjects to guide closer to God? Was your name smeared when you were given an estate on Radonis?

I find it fascinating that you know everything Her Majesty, Empress Jamyl, may she rest in the Light of God, was thinking.

Untrue Pieter. I wonder now if you ever truly have been starving. I am sure that you may have had training where you were forced to go hungry but I know you must have trusted in your State then and never truly been in danger.

When the sugar and alcohol smell of starvation finds you unable to move, when a sip of water is painful, when there is nothing but euphoria left and the pain is long gone leaving only peace and bliss, god finds you. You think of your life and who you are, what you have become, what it means and how it works. The closer death comes the more you can feel him Pieter.

Missions 42:5 is not just a clever turn of phrase, it is a fundamental truth about the human body under extreme stress. It is more than an appeal for rich men to simplify their lives, it is a kernel of wisdom as old as hardship itself. "There are no atheists in foxholes," is another phrase that means in the end the same thing. A sort of reflection of that truth cast in troubled waters where the scripture is cast on clear mirrored glass.

In trying to argue that the people of the Empire go hungry, as you often love to imply about the Republic as well, you have forgotten that far more go hungry in your State.

Starvation is not painful. God does find you when everything is taken from you.

Don't bother, man. Remember, Ayallah knows everything. Just ask her.

It is hardly blasphemous. As clones, there is the likelihood that all of us are soulless.

You truly believe you are nothing more than a bit of animated biology?

It seems we have very different understandings of what constitutes a soul.

The soul isn't some vestigial organ left behind in the process of a clone jump. The soul is a spiritual link with the Lord. It's a vital part of the essence of all peoples. It's no more lost than your consciousness is when changing the biological vessel it resides in.

Your consciousness is lost. We are clones, and a clone is a copy. We can create a hundred simultaneous models of ourselves, yet which is supposed to have "our" consciousness? Well, they all have a consciousness, certainly. A copy modeled after the original.

Our cloning is a rigorous scientific procedure like any other. A scan is made of your brain's neural map. Your being, your consciousness, is diluted into its most simple measure: a series of 1s and 0s that make up you. And that information alone is communicated (communicated!) through flipping the quantum state of entangled particles to a cloning center, where it can then be used to create a new brain, programmed according to the exact specifications of that neural blueprint.

Where, in that process, does this technology actually take hold of the soul? Does your copy serve as some divine beacon, luring the soul back to it from across space and time? What happens when you make multiple copies of yourself? At best, your new body has its own, new soul. Presuming that growing a person in a lab from reprocessed matter can actually produce a soul, seeing as we are not God. But say we do. Why should God accept this fabrication, this artificial byproduct of humanity's hubris? The gates of Heaven open only once, and the Lord forever forsakes the one who turns from the Light--what else do you think that attempting to escape God's judgment with a clone is?

There is a reason the nature of the soul and the clone is still heavily debated in theological circles. The nature of what we are, and if we can still call ourselves creatures worthy of God's love, is a terrifying question that we have no answer to.




The Lord doesn't make mistakes, but we do. It is a common excuse made by people in their failure to claim that the future was set in stone from the beginning, that their loss happened because God willed it. To save themselves from doubt by believing they are doing God's work even at their worst. It was the excuse made at Vak'atioth, it was the excuse made during the secessions of Khanid and the Minmatar, it's the excuse made by those champions who failed their heirs.

God commands us to prove our worthiness to him. That is the nature of the Trials. The winner is the one that has proven themselves. I am Minmatar. I forever carry the mark of the failures of my ancestors. They were not cast from God's sight because it was part of the plan, they failed Him and were punished for it. And God did not choose the Amarr as His Chosen by chance, He chose them because they lived righteously and in fear of Him. The original Amarr were no more destined to become True than the Minmatar were destined to fall. They each made their bed, just as our heirs do today. We're all given a mission, and that mission is to defeat the enemies without and the demons within and to Reclaim all that He has given. Our success in that mission isn't guaranteed, and we are stronger as a people when we accept that we always can, and must, do better.

We lost Vak'atioth, not because it was planned, but because we failed. We lost half our empire to rebellions because we failed. We were lead by a Sani Sabik heretic during the interregnum for years because we failed. Her Imperial Majesty, long may she reign, was not destined to win. Her team proved their worth, and she was chosen because of their success in battle (though one wonders why our recent succession trials have taken to somehow proving the worth of the heir through capsuleer surrogates, since in faith before God and efforts towards the Reclaiming Lord Yonis was equaled by none). Her Imperial Majesty's reign will be marked by victory or defeat, according to the choices that she makes, and that we make, in the years to come, for even those who are True must always work to prove themselves before God. Such was said by the Prophet Anoyia.

May Catiz I rule well. She's been given a great responsibility.

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. In the hierarchy of human needs the very basics include food, water, shelter and some semblance of security. All other aspects of civilization are based on people having these needs fulfilled.

No one I've ever pulled from a drifting cargo container or liberated from some deadspace facility has asked me to return them so that they could contemplate their spiritual salvation. They asked for food, shelter, medical care and/or safe transport.

I have never starved. The closest would be the weeks I spent trapped in a crippled Caracal.

The "insights" I gained from the experience required extensive therapy to banish.

Her empire will burn