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[news] Imperial Coronation Week Ends with Rite of Shathol’Syn...
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1 - 2016-09-30 17:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
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AMARR PRIME – In the final phase of the most sacred rituals of the Amarr Empire, the noble Royal Heirs of the Imperial Houses of Amarr, who served during the reign of Her Imperial Majesty Jamyl I, surrendered their lives in the Rite of Shathol’Syn tonight.

All of Holy Amarr remembers the faith and service of the late noble sovereigns of the Houses of the Privy Council:

His Royal Highness Yonis Ardishapur, Holder of Derelik and the Demesne of Ardishapur
His Royal Highness Uriam Kador, Holder of Kador
His Royal Majesty Garkeh Khanid, King Khanid II of the Khanid Kingdom and Lord of the Marches
His Royal Highness Aritcio Kor-Azor, Holder of Kor-Azor and Imperial Chancellor
His Royal Highness Merimeth Sarum, Holder of the Demesne of Sarum

With the deaths of their noble predecessors, and the ascension of Her Imperial Majesty Catiz I, the Houses of the Privy Council are now led by the newly confirmed sovereign lords of their family domains:

His Royal Highness Arim Ardishapur, Holder of Derelik and the Demesne of Ardishapur
Her Royal Highness Hamideh Kador, Holder of Kador
His Royal Majesty Farokh Khanid, King Khanid III of the Khanid Kingdom and Lord of the Marches
Her Royal Highness Ersilia Kor-Azor, Holder of Kor-Azor
His Royal Highness Arrach Sarum, Holder of the Demesne of Sarum
His Royal Highness Tunir Tash-Murkon, Holder of Tash-Murkon

By Order of the Privy and Theology Councils.


From the ACN.

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Merchant Rova
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-09-30 17:44:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2016-09-30 17:46:31 UTC
Although some might bemoan the waste of material, this rite gives one pause when proclaiming the collectivist merits of leaders in any other system of government in New Eden.

It is as if the CEOs of every MegaCorporation were to self-terminate for the good of the State as a whole - and whether or not you believe this sacrifice actually is for the good of the Empire the fact that they have made it is humbling.

I hope that this act of submission to the rule of law will end some of the factionalism we've seen in the ranks of our allies up until recently. Above all, stability and the rule of law.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2016-09-30 17:51:23 UTC
Certainly, this is a profound display of loyalty and duty that we should hold as laudable. Whether or not we view it as a waste, this sacrifice to proclaim a stable, uncontested transition surely serves to preserve the Empire in tumultuous times.

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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2016-09-30 17:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Those of the Faithful are reminded that even the highest of all in the Empire bow to and adhere to God's will, unconditionally, even at the expense of their life.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2016-09-30 18:02:16 UTC
Here's a thing I've never understood, they supposedly served your God loyally and all that, isn't it a waste to simply kill them off? If they truely are doing "his work" righteously wouldn't there not be a fear of them deciding they should be the emperor/empress? The best, most loyal members of my ship crews I would never dream of having kill themselves because one was promoted to commanding the crew while i piloted.
Quin Mansa
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-09-30 18:03:00 UTC
Glory to they who gave all for God.

"Today, our future is in our hands, and His light shines down upon us." - Her Holiness Catiz I
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#8 - 2016-09-30 18:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Deitra Vess wrote:
Here's a thing I've never understood, they supposedly served your God loyally and all that, isn't it a waste to simply kill them off? If they truely are doing "his work" righteously wouldn't there not be a fear of them deciding they should be the emperor/empress? The best, most loyal members of my ship crews I would never dream of having kill themselves because one was promoted to commanding the crew while i piloted.


I would argue that the stakes are rather higher here, and the pressure comes from multiple directions.

In the first place, to prevent dissidence and subversive behavior from those who lost, they are forced to this before they could reasonably organize a full revolt. In this way, the Sathol'Syn forces heirs to the decision before they're ready. Similarly, it ensures that the royal houses are all in transition at the same time, so that none can reasonably take advantage of weakness on the part of any other.

As important is internal pressure. The royal heirs, now being compelled to sacrifice themselves, are compelled to do so by their own family as a product of dynastic politics within their houses.

And lastly, ultimately, the new Heirs have also been groomed as leaders since early in their lives. As in all things, education, training and preparation pay marked dividends. The new heirs will presumably be capable, and may undertake new initiatives that may serve their houses and the Empire well. While an experienced leader is lost, a new one arises who is as prepared as any in the cluster.

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Nabu Nezzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-09-30 18:11:52 UTC
Quin Mansa wrote:
Glory to they who gave all for God.

Amarr Victor!
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#10 - 2016-09-30 18:12:01 UTC
They go with God.

"The road to Heaven is paved with tribulation. Those who remain with my flock shall never be vanquished. Their family shall be reunited in Heaven so long as they remain faithful to me."

We shall meet them again.

But, not yet.

Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#11 - 2016-09-30 18:15:06 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Here's a thing I've never understood, they supposedly served your God loyally and all that, isn't it a waste to simply kill them off? If they truely are doing "his work" righteously wouldn't there not be a fear of them deciding they should be the emperor/empress? The best, most loyal members of my ship crews I would never dream of having kill themselves because one was promoted to commanding the crew while i piloted.


I would argue that the stakes are rather higher here, and the pressure comes from multiple directions.

In the first place, to prevent dissidence and subversive behavior from those who lost, they are forced to this before they could reasonably organize a full revolt. In this way, the Sathol'Syn forces heirs to the decision before they're ready. Similarly, it ensures that the royal houses are all in transition at the same time, so that none can reasonably take advantage of weakness on the part of any other.

As important is internal pressure. The royal heirs, now being compelled to sacrifice themselves, are compelled to do so by their own family as a product of dynastic politics within their houses.

And lastly, ultimately, the new Heirs have also been groomed as leaders since early in their lives. As in all things, education, training and preparation pay marked dividends. The new heirs will presumably be capable, and may undertake new initiatives that may serve their houses and the Empire well. While an experienced leader is lost, a new one arises who is as prepared as any in the cluster.

Hmm, I didn't think of it in that way. That makes sense though. Thank you.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#12 - 2016-09-30 18:16:09 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Here's a thing I've never understood, they supposedly served your God loyally and all that, isn't it a waste to simply kill them off? If they truely are doing "his work" righteously wouldn't there not be a fear of them deciding they should be the emperor/empress? The best, most loyal members of my ship crews I would never dream of having kill themselves because one was promoted to commanding the crew while i piloted.


I think—and I'm as much an outsider to this as you are, of course—the idea here is that the individual's function is to serve the will of God in many ways. As Heir, one of those ways is to ensure that the house is ready and fit to carry out God's Will even if something happens to you. Thus, while your tenure as Heir is one of stewardship, it is also largely one of preparation. Every Heir knows there's only a 1 in 6 (now) chance of succeeding the Throne, and even if they do, they divorce themselves from the affairs of their house when they join the Emperor Family.

So Shathol'syn winds up being a kind of ceremonial, almost symbolic gesture of both faith in God and faith in their house. Almost, because of course the death is real. Presumably, it involves some kind of reward for having done their duty, though for all the Amarr talk of damnation, I've never actually heard any of them mention any kind of happy afterlife... only that damnation bit.

Anyway, I could be totally wrong on that, but it's what I think is going on there.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2016-09-30 18:18:42 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Here's a thing I've never understood, they supposedly served your God loyally and all that, isn't it a waste to simply kill them off? If they truely are doing "his work" righteously wouldn't there not be a fear of them deciding they should be the emperor/empress? The best, most loyal members of my ship crews I would never dream of having kill themselves because one was promoted to commanding the crew while i piloted.


I think—and I'm as much an outsider to this as you are, of course—the idea here is that the individual's function is to serve the will of God in many ways. As Heir, one of those ways is to ensure that the house is ready and fit to carry out God's Will even if something happens to you. Thus, while your tenure as Heir is one of stewardship, it is also largely one of preparation. Every Heir knows there's only a 1 in 6 (now) chance of succeeding the Throne, and even if they do, they divorce themselves from the affairs of their house when they join the Emperor Family.

So Shathol'syn winds up being a kind of ceremonial, almost symbolic gesture of both faith in God and faith in their house. Almost, because of course the death is real. Presumably, it involves some kind of reward for having done their duty, though for all the Amarr talk of damnation, I've never actually heard any of them mention any kind of happy afterlife... only that damnation bit.

Anyway, I could be totally wrong on that, but it's what I think is going on there.

You could be wrong but that seems closer to a right answer than what I would think, thanks!
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#14 - 2016-09-30 18:43:19 UTC
It's pragmatic for the state and laudable for the individual. The Empire seeks to preserve itself, and they give for the sake of the whole.

Anyways. It's extreme but it makes sense to me.

Now, about the late Khanid, what do you make of that? He actually went through with it.

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Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#15 - 2016-09-30 18:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
My Lord Yonis Ardishapur, even with only a few years as our heir, you proved yourself a True, pious man, and a saint to your people. You will be remembered as one of the greatest Lords Ardishapur. That you must leave us is the most terrible tragedy to come from the loss of so many of our recent emperors. The universe will be an emptier place without you. May the Sefrim carry you swiftly to the gates of Heaven, so that you may find paradise in the light of our Most Holy God.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2016-09-30 18:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Arrendis wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Here's a thing I've never understood, they supposedly served your God loyally and all that, isn't it a waste to simply kill them off? If they truely are doing "his work" righteously wouldn't there not be a fear of them deciding they should be the emperor/empress? The best, most loyal members of my ship crews I would never dream of having kill themselves because one was promoted to commanding the crew while i piloted.


I think—and I'm as much an outsider to this as you are, of course—the idea here is that the individual's function is to serve the will of God in many ways. As Heir, one of those ways is to ensure that the house is ready and fit to carry out God's Will even if something happens to you. Thus, while your tenure as Heir is one of stewardship, it is also largely one of preparation. Every Heir knows there's only a 1 in 6 (now) chance of succeeding the Throne, and even if they do, they divorce themselves from the affairs of their house when they join the Emperor Family.

So Shathol'syn winds up being a kind of ceremonial, almost symbolic gesture of both faith in God and faith in their house. Almost, because of course the death is real. Presumably, it involves some kind of reward for having done their duty, though for all the Amarr talk of damnation, I've never actually heard any of them mention any kind of happy afterlife... only that damnation bit.

Anyway, I could be totally wrong on that, but it's what I think is going on there.


Arrendis, while some Amarr believe damnation leads to a place (and some heretics like Nauplius), most orthodox believers believe it leads to non-existence, oblivion, annihilation by God.

Most orthodox believers believe in an after-life for the Faithful, in which the pure are redeemed and saved by God's grace, and a number of more commonly known scriptures that address or allude to this. Sister Dougans referenced one. Another I like is:

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed

From my perspective the Heirs, in giving their lives, have shown their strong conviction and can anticipate the gates of Paradise opening, but I defer to the more theological minded for a discussion at a level beyond this lay-person's understandings!
Loai Qerl
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2016-09-30 18:48:18 UTC
Thank you, King Khanid. Blessings abundant on you and your righteous heirs for ever and ever. I'm crying a little.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#18 - 2016-09-30 18:59:32 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Arrendis, while some Amarr believe damnation leads to a place (and some heretics like Nauplius), most orthodox believers believe it leads to non-existence, annihilation by God.


Huh. That's... interesting. So basically, those who want to spend eternity serving God do so, and those who don't... don't?

So then where's the problem with people not being faithful to God? I'm not trying to be flippant here, just.. I don't see where there's an impetus to not accept the idea that someone says 'That's ok, I prefer non-existence'.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#19 - 2016-09-30 19:04:06 UTC
Amarrians killing themselves... I would care if I could, but I can't, so I don't.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-09-30 19:04:11 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Arrendis, while some Amarr believe damnation leads to a place (and some heretics like Nauplius), most orthodox believers believe it leads to non-existence, annihilation by God.


Huh. That's... interesting. So basically, those who want to spend eternity serving God do so, and those who don't... don't?

So then where's the problem with people not being faithful to God? I'm not trying to be flippant here, just.. I don't see where there's an impetus to not accept the idea that someone says 'That's ok, I prefer non-existence'.


There is a very large number of people who are terrified of the very concept of oblivion, the notion that after death, our consciousness goes nowhere and instead ceases to be. Hence all this thought and contemplations of the afterlife, even in our own culture.

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