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AFK Cloaking™: Ideas, Discussion, and Proposals

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6821 - 2016-09-29 17:22:27 UTC
Wander Prian wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Wander Prian wrote:
AFK-flag doesn't sound a very Eve-like solution. It's again free intel given out without any participation of players. It's too easy and too cheap. The player should be the one making the decision who is a threat and who isn't.


And how do you do that at this point? Don't forget taht we are not talking about WH space so that hot drops are a thing, not hole control and pre scanning.


Oh this issue is limited to nullsec only. I'm not even thinking about W-space, or lowsec or highsec when talking about this.

That is the problem here. Finding the right way to make it balanced for all parties. That is the reason for the 300+ pages of discussions. 99% of the "solutions" are too much for one side or another.


Its already balanced.

Local is countered by AFK cloaking.

AFK cloaking is balanced by the fact the AFK cloaker can do nothing at all.

What Dracvlad wants is a 100% fool proof intel tool that nobody can counter.
Limi Etherseed
The Seven Sisters
#6822 - 2016-09-29 19:50:45 UTC
Why not fix both? Remove the free intel from local, force people to be on their toes defensively and monitor active scanning to keep themselves safe while at the same time offer a module solution to tracking down someone with a cloaking device? Make it much harder to pin down an actively paying attention cloaker and the attack cloakers still remain reasonably safe.

Ah! Don't shoot me there, I'm a bleeder!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6823 - 2016-09-29 19:54:10 UTC
Limi Etherseed wrote:
Why not fix both? Remove the free intel from local, force people to be on their toes defensively and monitor active scanning to keep themselves safe while at the same time offer a module solution to tracking down someone with a cloaking device? Make it much harder to pin down an actively paying attention cloaker and the attack cloakers still remain reasonably safe.


If you deal with the instant free intel you get from local you also deal with AFK cloaking complaints. They only reason anyone even complains is because these AFK players show up in local.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6824 - 2016-09-29 20:01:26 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Please tell us how a ship that can't move, can't target, can't shoot and has nobody controlling it damage play?


The risk of hot drop a clock matey boy...


What an AFK ship can light a cyno?!?!?!!?

OMG that is so OP!

Roll

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6825 - 2016-09-29 20:02:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Limi Etherseed wrote:
Why not fix both? Remove the free intel from local, force people to be on their toes defensively and monitor active scanning to keep themselves safe while at the same time offer a module solution to tracking down someone with a cloaking device? Make it much harder to pin down an actively paying attention cloaker and the attack cloakers still remain reasonably safe.


If you deal with the instant free intel you get from local you also deal with AFK cloaking complaints. They only reason anyone even complains is because these AFK players show up in local.


What this means is that they will get easy kills and they won't have to use the AFK approach because it will be easy enough for these losers to kill something with little effort.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6826 - 2016-09-29 20:03:43 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Please tell us how a ship that can't move, can't target, can't shoot and has nobody controlling it damage play?


The risk of hot drop a clock matey boy...


What an AFK ship can light a cyno?!?!?!!?

OMG that is so OP!

Roll


How do you know he is not going to uncloak and light a cyno?!?!?!?!?

OMG that is so OP!!!

Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6827 - 2016-09-29 20:36:12 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Please tell us how a ship that can't move, can't target, can't shoot and has nobody controlling it damage play?


The risk of hot drop a clock matey boy...


What an AFK ship can light a cyno?!?!?!!?

OMG that is so OP!

Roll


How do you know he is not going to uncloak and light a cyno?!?!?!?!?

OMG that is so OP!!!

Roll


So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.

Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6828 - 2016-09-29 21:02:42 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:


So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.

Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.


He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6829 - 2016-09-29 21:09:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls.


The good news is he said his account expires next week and he isn't re-subbing.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6830 - 2016-09-29 21:26:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
baltec1 wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.

Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.


He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls.


LOL, pathetic...

Someone AFK is not doing PvP...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Paranoid Loyd
#6831 - 2016-09-29 21:43:26 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.

Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.


He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls.


LOL, pathetic...

Someone AFK is not doing PvP...

If it's making you cry about it, it most certainly is. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Bibosikus
Air
#6832 - 2016-09-30 00:42:23 UTC
pretty simple it should cycle once every 20min.
you shouldn't be able to go afk and/or work or otherwise well your character is cloaked. come back and take advantage of the tactical implications you have inflicted.
further to this. having a cyno and a cloak should give a small chance of prob detection and random cloak overlaods for all ships but covert ops with covert cynos.

basically the cloak should stay and effective means of warfare for active players. It should not be a " im going to leave this alt in system for 2 weeks till they get use to it then randomly drop on a carrier with a t1 peice of crap. a basic cyno and prototype cloak."

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6833 - 2016-09-30 00:48:20 UTC
Bibosikus wrote:
pretty simple it should cycle once every 20min.
you shouldn't be able to go afk and/or work or otherwise well your character is cloaked. come back and take advantage of the tactical implications you have inflicted.
further to this. having a cyno and a cloak should give a small chance of prob detection and random cloak overlaods for all ships but covert ops with covert cynos.

basically the cloak should stay and effective means of warfare for active players. It should not be a " im going to leave this alt in system for 2 weeks till they get use to it then randomly drop on a carrier with a t1 peice of crap. a basic cyno and prototype cloak."


what tactical implications? someone AFK can by definition not do any harm
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6834 - 2016-09-30 04:54:10 UTC
Bibosikus wrote:
pretty simple it should cycle once every 20min.


Why should an ATK player be penalized?

Nope, sorry. ATK players should not be penalized to have an effect on AFK players.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6835 - 2016-09-30 05:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:


So you have an issue with ATK cloakers? If he is doing something like lighting a cyno he is ATK.

Seems to me the issue you have is the uncertainty.


He seems to have an issue with PvP in general. To the point where he is literally demanding nerfs on something that cant move, cant target, cant shoot and has nobody behind the controls.


LOL, pathetic...

Someone AFK is not doing PvP...

If it's making you cry about it, it most certainly is. Blink


So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6836 - 2016-09-30 07:11:35 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.


The only thing that needs to end is your screaming to remove the only counter to local so you can rat/mine with a 100% foolproof intel system.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6837 - 2016-09-30 07:47:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.


The only thing that needs to end is your screaming to remove the only counter to local so you can rat/mine with a 100% foolproof intel system.


So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#6838 - 2016-09-30 07:57:27 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.


The only thing that needs to end is your screaming to remove the only counter to local so you can rat/mine with a 100% foolproof intel system.


So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills.


Oh for the love of god... Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6839 - 2016-09-30 08:03:58 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


So you think he is doing PvP while AFK now that is plain wrong in this game and needs to end.


The only thing that needs to end is your screaming to remove the only counter to local so you can rat/mine with a 100% foolproof intel system.


So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills.


Oh for the love of god... Roll


God is not going to help you...

Only people who are incapable of hunting with effort are keen on AFK cloaky camping and removing local, it is painful to see just how useless you lot really are...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6840 - 2016-09-30 08:39:24 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


So says a loser old player who relies on this to get easy kills.


Spending two days hunting a vindicator then taking it on in a bomber while outnumbered in the system 16 to 1 is easy?