Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So since we can overheat weapons, shields, etc, why is there no way to overheat mining lasers?

So before we get all nuts as to the why not please keep things in prospective.

1. Obviously by overheating the mining lasers this effect will increase yield but as usual damage the mining lasers but not as quickly as overheating guns because the cycle differences.

2. Reasons for wanting this ability, with the changes to the Rorqual this will give miners ability to increase their yield with or without the Rorqual but not be as effective as having fielded a Rorqual and overheating lasers with a Rorqual on the field will not have any effect on the bonuses from overheating them.

3. This gives better reason to risk going into lower security space since filling up time will decrease so people won't be as fearful to "take a chance" if they feel they can grab and run.

I think this will balance things out for solo adventure miners and smaller null Corps also giving a reason to drop a mobile depot if you need to change out mining lasers if you are in a position where it is more advantageous to stay put and dig while someone runs the ore away so you don't have to dock up to repair or change lasers \0/ everybody is a winner because PVP pilots get an extra kill or more loot in that of a MDU being dropped (possibly those t-2 mining lasers), nanite paste (who doesn't like that in low security space), and any extra goodies a would be risk taking mining expedition may bring along.

The miner if successful will profit better as well, a reason to risk if filling up takes half the time it normally would, since anybody can now warp to the asteroid sigs without needing to scan them down this has given all the advantage to the ganker and nerfed mining as people don't want to be sitting in those spawn sites for long for that reason.

Anyway please don't just say no because you hate miners think of the reasons why it would effect game play in a positive way as killerboards get padded with more value and loot becomes more profitable, but miners will also see profit as they 'ninja' stuff out from under others territories.

This is always a possibility with anything in the game, changes are made and demand increases or decreases but the bottom line is yes I see "the larger" picture but with alpha clones coming I'm definitely going to head down into low and WH spaces to ninja ores and I expect that others are also planning this too, with or without the changes more ore is coming to market, (I would expect because of alpha clones), but will this have an effect on demand for ships? More mods? Will there be any effect?

If only we had crystal balls we could see how alpha clones might have a positive or negative effects on the economies.

ALSO, stop being paranoid

I know I will PVP more (even tho I'm just going to lose), because the alpha clone for me will be my "fun" clone because exactly the reason I don't do it now is because my toons are almost all industrial toons so making stuff is easy but losing clones trained in skills where they are more better used in an area to make stuff is being less effective and a toon made for PVP and no worries because your 'skilled' earners are doing what they are made to do.

In anticipation of the coming change I am in high production and buying right now so I can be prepared for the game play, at this very moment I am building 9 destroyers that will be used in PVP, with plans for many other ships on the way.

If you want to improve your chances in lower security space mining, I suggest you buy one of these:

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Prospect
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Endurance

The reason this isn't a thing and will never be a thing is because overheating would become a default state for anyone mining ever. In PVP overheating is both situational and very short lived. You go into battle, overheat all the things and either you die or you make it out with all your **** broken, but alive to fight another day. There is a tactical choice to make as to when to overheat and for how long.

Mining has non of those things. The application here would be to warp to a belt, overheat the lasers, mine all the things and then haul around repair paste to fix your lasers every 10 minutes.

There would be a ratio of income by additional yield vs cost of repair paste. And once that ratio goes in favor of yield, you'd be stupid not to use it. But at that point the entire mechanic turns into an extra annoying chore to look out for. It doesn't add interesting gameplay, it doesn't add anything meaningful. All it adds is an annoyance.

So no, this is a bad idea.

The supply.

More minerals and ore will be present on the market as a result of the increased mining yield due to overheating mining lasers.

Then there is the demand.



Their would be a boom in the repair paste manufacturing sector with the increased use of repair paste to repair the damaged mining lasers and modules due to overheating.

Okay. You can overheat mining lasers.

But they can't be repaired. Ever. By any means.

Now overheating during mining has similar tactical tradeoffs to overheating in combat. If you screw it up, you're out a decent amount of ISK.

Any other implementation of overheating mining lasers just wouldn't have the appropriate inherent risks of overheating.

Losing a module in combat can potentially lose you your ship. Losing a mining laser just means you lose a cycle.

This would mean you'd only ever do it in dire emergencies rather than as a default tactic to increase yields, unless you feel like you can endlessly supply yourself with new lasers.

Also I'm kind of sad you can't try to mine other ships. It should be possible, but since the lasers are designed for stationary objects be severely degraded in damage per cycle by the raw velocity of the ship you're attacking.

Hell, in that situation I could actually see overheating making sense. Make it give no additional yield, but severely increase its tracking as a ghetto defensive weapon.

you do understand that the mining lasers now are balanced to be able to reach a "max" point with top skills and mods. should you want to add an overheat the base will be lowered so that max stays about the same.


i figured ppl would have learned that with the damned missile application mods doing nothing other than nerfing all missile ships

O.o that has nothing to do with what i just said

Except you know that you don't have to pay for clones right? And they aren't 'lost'
And you can do industry and PvP at the same time.
Even if you have industry implants I believe you can hot swap to a jump clone in the same citadel with no delay at all now.

So there is actually no reason to use an alpha clone when you can use a more effective omega clone.