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This whole training alts thing...

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#61 - 2016-09-28 06:12:20 UTC
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
either way, we will never agree on this and I am done bickering, I have an opinion, might be bad in your eyes, but then we have what 11 billion ppl on this planet, if we all thought alike it would be boring...no?


err, 7,150,000,000 in 2013.

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lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2016-09-28 06:12:26 UTC
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
this...just made my mind up and I cancelled my subscription
thank you for being such a good representative of the EVE community.


Good. Can I have your stuff?
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#63 - 2016-09-28 06:17:30 UTC
To use the WoW analogy:

Your character with an active que is always logged in and always leveling, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Swapping the que is effectively "logging out" one character, who stops "leveling" and "logging in" another character.

The difference is that in eve, controlling a character and leveling a character ore disassociated from one another. Your characters do not require your interaction to level up, and actually playing any given character will not make their leveling any slower or faster.
Denice Cornejo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2016-09-28 18:30:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Denice Cornejo
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:
welp, to be frankly honest - at this moment I do not really see a point of those 3 characters per account option more than having placeholder alts for example to keep placeholder corp..... or something in this lines

I mean if you want an alt then getting second account wins all hands down.

let's comapre options shall we?

with two accoutns you can multibox and play bot hsimulataneously

with two toons you not only cannot, but you do not have even a convenient was of swapping characters - so if you want to swap the toon you need to restart client

two accounts keep both your main and alt training their skills up in same time at the cost of second subscription.....

to get second character training simultaneously on same account you pay basically just as much


so again what is the reason one should want to setup second toon on same account as opposed to setting up second account in the first place?

I fail to see any

and I have a vague feelign that OP meant to ask this very question


yeah I get that feeling too, why have options for alt if they gonna cost as much as a regular account, but I guess it is for those that can and do pause their mains trainings. but I see the beauty of having 2 accounts and 2 windows... I just bought myself a new screen so I might just be dual boxing it...


Those two other characters in a single account are just intended to be trained as specialized characters that are usually short term training and low sp like trader, hauler, bp research or copy, PI etc. which cannot interact with each other at the same time. That's why some people make a careful (short) skill planning for those two alts and diverts the training from the main. This intentional because not all players want to maintain two separate accounts and pay additional subs just to access them. If you want an exact mirror of your main or a female version of it then you have to pay a premium because it gives you an edge than the other players like having two similarly skilled character in two different part of the universe. If you need to do something that requires the help of another player like cynoing and gate camping then you need to maintain a separate account and that gives you an advantage because you get to do things that are supposed to be done with other players. This is an MMO so that's the way it is. And for the OP, don't get too onion skinned.
Sheldon d'Albion
#65 - 2016-09-29 09:57:44 UTC
Not really the topic but not really out of it .

With the coming change on clone, what about the alts of a subscribed account would it be considered like an alpha or an omega clone
It must be considered like an alpha clone and hence would skill like all other alpha clones "slowly" with a limited amount of SP ( around 5M ) ?
Because nowadays you'll have to pay to go further the 400K limits .
It seems to me that this beats the purpose of the actual second line training ( for those whose alts not reching the 5M limit ).

I can be wrong , these new clone changes are not set in stone yet .


( sorry for my bad english not my first language )
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
#66 - 2016-09-29 11:16:39 UTC
Sheldon d'Albion wrote:
Not really the topic but not really out of it .

With the coming change on clone, what about the alts of a subscribed account would it be considered like an alpha or an omega clone
It must be considered like an alpha clone and hence would skill like all other alpha clones "slowly" with a limited amount of SP ( around 5M ) ?
Because nowadays you'll have to pay to go further the 400K limits .
It seems to me that this beats the purpose of the actual second line training ( for those whose alts not reching the 5M limit ).

I can be wrong , these new clone changes are not set in stone yet .


( sorry for my bad english not my first language )



subscribed (or PLEXed) = Omega clone

not subscribed (or PLEXed) = Alpha clone

it's accountwide, not specific to a character.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#67 - 2016-09-29 13:16:15 UTC
You're free to create your alt on a new account. That way it will be totally separated as you wish.
Hallvardr
#68 - 2016-09-29 14:25:42 UTC
OMG - Are you a chick in RL, cuz you just won't STHU!

"...just made my mind up and I cancelled my subscription" Cool ... now do the second part and go back to WoW or what ever.

Jiminy kickits Jotunhammer ....
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#69 - 2016-09-29 18:49:55 UTC
I too am disappointed that the OP promised to quit but then stayed.
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#70 - 2016-09-30 02:29:29 UTC
Yep - that's right. They need to increase the amount a single customer pays out to offset the size of the customer base. They just keep coming up with more ways to make you pull out your wallet and buy that plex.

Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
So I was thinking "Hey it would be fun to get an alt and try different options in what trained etc"
and I created it and logged into game, so far so good, then get into put something into training schedual
and here comes the cinderblock.... I have to pay an plex in order to train an alt.

Really? I have to pay additional 30 days for playing an alt, a whole new game basically
just to train an alt. is this the way its suppose to be? that would seriously be an alt killer
unless of course suddenly you make that alts have the same brain , same skills, same everything
since if your going to share the training timnes, scheduals etc, then why not share the skills
that you already gotten for the primary player.

thats the point of an alt to keep them separate, is it not? to try something totally new?
then why would you make it so that you have to play/pay for a whole new game for
an alt?

or am I missing some way of letting the alt gain skills?
L DOPA
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#71 - 2016-09-30 03:54:58 UTC
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
Quihote wrote:
You don't have to pay to train an alt on the same account. You can pause training on the primary character in order to train on the alt. If you want to train them simultaneously, then you have to pay.

However, training an alt and a primary on the same account doesn't make sense as a long term plan if you plan on training both characters. If you pay cash for a sub, it's cheaper and more practical to start a second account. If plexing the cost is the same but it might still be more practical to have another account.



that whole thing means just this....
You can have an alt but not train the alt unless you pause your main.
then what is the point of having an alt if you can not train him/her?

My point is that CCP made it so that in reality in order to have an effective alt(mind I said effective)
then you have to buy a whole new game by either buy plex or by shopping for 19.95 euros another
game. That is not an alt. By forcing the playerbase to in reality eother chose to pause their main
or buy a whole new game to effectively play an alt, they are cheating you of the alt experience.

if you have an alt, it SHOULD be totally and I mean TOTALLY separate from the main.

With the way the system works now its no use to get an alt, why would you when most of your time you have to have
training, specially when some skills take days and weeks to learn, why then force people to have to buy
additional game time for use with their alt.

Its a smart way for them to make cash for sure, but it also for those who are altoholics is a turnoff because
I am sure not many would want to pay 2 or 3 games just in order to be allowed to have an alt.

To me it makes no sense why I should be forced to buy a whole new game, why not make the second
or third training que cost something LESS than the whole new game?

I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay
for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not
charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts.

Play any other game, like WoW, LoL etc can you log two of your characters in on the same account or xp on one and the other one gets xp too while offline. Nope.

Being able to train, xp, level up on only one character at a time per account is pretty much how all point based advancement MMO's work.