EVE General Discussion

Actually answering question in the title: they said they are going to expand this. Years ago. While they were adding the racial CQ variants. But they only expanded Nex store. Not mentioning closing the real one.

All of this was only a crowd control from them.

Even this part:

And this:

Taken from here.

My commentary is now only that Torfi Frans is now god knows where doing something about CCP books about lore or something like that.
So that is where this WiS thing went, in RP development. And rather RP chat box than actual gameplay with avatars.

Try to follow what's being said. It's not that money isn't being injected it's who is doing the injecting. People who buy PLEX with ISK aren't injecting money into CCP's coffers. *gesticulates wildly*

What we have here are folks who look at the spaceship game we know and love as EVE, then look at the little officer's quarters, who then make the leap, "Why not have this as a game TOO." I will not assume they're oblivious of the fact that's two games in one. I am certain the cost doesn't enter their minds. I am CURIOUS to know which of these grand thinkers of how to spend other people's money actually pay for their own play time, however....not to beat a horse that died five years ago.

Actually why CCP is making EVE f2p is also because those people who left and there may be a bit of EVE baccillus in them still, they could go back and push a bit of those numbers up while sitting in CQ chatting with everyone. They want them to be a part of community and even consider allowing posting on forums (CCP Seagull said so). But they will not spend a penny on it because its only worth so much for them to spend few minutes in CQ and talk to old friends.

If it will happen it will be in completely other game (currently in development) and people will not have to buy new hardware to play it because it will happen many years ahead of today.

I pay subscription already. But you keep tellin' me to give more money for makin' EVE to be interesting for me. Nope. I already pay exactly for it and see no reason to pay any extra.


Dat's what she said.

Rather the guys who buy PLEX from CCP give it to them. I am not buying it from CCP.
I am using my income in game to finance the further playing.

But quiting EVE or staying with it is not really the solution, either way.

CCP just will not do it because reasons. This reason is exactly why they got rid of EVE shop and went full retórd with Nex store.
Business efficiency.

That's kind of tangential to the point though. The fact that there is a market for selling PLEX is responsible for the vast majority of PLEX purchases. From CCP's perspective (and this is pretty much the prevailing understanding of the industry in terms on monetizing online games now) it doesn't really much matter how much the individual user kicks in.

Or, to put it simply, it doesn't matter who is doing the injecting.

The value of player opinions does not rest on whether they plex or pay for their account, specifically because either player contributes a similar financial footprint to EVE's bottom line. This logic is what gave birth to the industry's almost unanimous adoption of the free to play model, because your online game needs content, other players generate content, and players with more disposable are far more likely to throw more of it at you when your game is full of other players, in effect subsidizing them.

The people to listen to are the ones contributing to your bottom line, either by being entrenched enough in the world to encourage others to spend money on your product, or by spending money themselves.

Now, to your second point, yeah, people have unreasonable expectations of WIS given what CCP themselves have said on the subject. I think most of the people in this specific thread have a generally reasonable view of it. Everybody agrees that it would be cool, but most people with half a brain agree that it's not worth doing without significant gameplay attached, and that it seems highly unlikely to be any time soon given CCP's current plans for expanding capsuleer ownership of all portions of the existing space game.

Some people will continue to whine that EVE isn't worth playing without WIS. CCP has shown pretty clearly they don't care about that user, because hey, why should they, they've decided to serve users that don't actually enjoy the core EVE experience by developing (or at least attempting to develop) a range of spinoff products.

CCP does not care if people do not play EVE at this point because it lacks some half baked avatar features. They say "You wanna play an FPS, Okay, we'll go make that by simply copy/pasting the safe, formulaic decisions made by people that have spendt a lot more time trying and failing to do just that"

It's not just the engineering. It's the design. CCP isn't willing to invest, at the current time, in what is bound to be a divisive and highly iterative ambulatory gameplay module for EVE because they don't know how the **** it would work. not because the art and basic engineering is expensive.

Yo. PopeUrban, you can assume they believe in FPS in the EVE universe with DUST. I am going to say the reasons were almost purely technical, and Playstation 3 was much more viable than the EVE client. I'd say they made a pretty good bit of progress in how that game worked, wouldn't you?

I agree that there is probably no time spent on players who leave because of a lack of avatar gameplay. Why would there be

For me it's not so much a longing for WiS. I see it as a larger issue of keeping CCP based in Iceland as a matter of nationalism or such.

Overall I think you are making two conflicting arguments. You say only the paying customers matter, and then you excuse EVE for the lack of avatar gameplay which would attract more paying players.

Let's not jump through too many hoops here. It's not so much a willful decision to put off avatar gameplay. They couldn't do it if they wanted (in EVE).

Well now I agree with you on this. I had more time to think about it over dinner, and for some reason right now WiS doesn't seem so important to have. Considering the cost and benefit. Such as the graphics engine problems (if you can call it one).

Maybe these schisms are the most appropriate after all, where different experiences within the EVE universe are on different platforms.

The problem is we might know this, but newer players won't.

I guess what I'm wondering now is What happened to Legion?

they dropped the copyright for "legion" for obvious reasons but kept the project going last i herd.

last article i read from someone who didn't work for ccp was to the effect that they have a functioning(but generic) arena shooter as working draught to hammer out fps mechanics.

i wouldnt worry too much about the silence as they have a **** tonn of work just to get that smoothed out and workable before even thinking about the bigger picture. no amount of depth, scope or eve integration can hide a garbage fps, no amount at all
so imho im delighted to have heard that this is the development approach they are taking.
i like my fps's and if it dose not play well in the basics im just not going to play it .<-------emphasis on the period

if they can find an interesting way to get it to feel like a real part of new eden then fantastic , but building a good tecnical fps takes time and theyre better off doing this right.