Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm really not sure where this idea got going. Tying Sov to things is useful mechanically because it creates a limiter for CCP to use (on things like Super Capital production, for one) and it also helps justify sov bills, which are a significant ISK sink which is very economically useful.

Take away the mechanical benefit and people will basically either stop caring and that'll become the meta, or they'll hold just enough Sov to put their name on the map and then live wherever because why pay money for something with no mechanical benefit?



This is demonstrably untrue. Eve's ship meta was at its least diverse pre-tiericide which didn't start until 2012 and the majority of user growth was before this. Also Capital Ship use is going up, not down and even with the post-Citadel changes Carriers are seeing more use than they did before Citadel and performing better as well.

Also Battleship use hasn't changed much historically with Battleships holding the same 90 day and all-time rankings on zKillboard and almost the same 7-day ranking. On a related note, non-T2 Cruisers are still the most used hull class in the game, and Frigates are number 2 over the last 90 days.

I'm not disagreeing that T3Ds and T3Cs are a problem, but CCP acknowledges that as well. I think the main point of disagreement here is whether they have a place in the game at all. Personally I think "jack of all trades, master of none" is a pretty good idea in theory, we'll have to see if it holds up in practice. They certainly haven't removed Frigates and Cruisers from PvP in the game though.

Personally I think both you and the OP are massively over-simplifying a complicated problem at the core of which lies the fundamental truth of any form of entertainment, that people will eventually get bored. Every MMO shows this kind of boom and bust cycle. Eve had a good half a decade or so buoyed by a lot of positive changes to the game and some really wide ranging press, but at the end of the day it's not everyone's game and not everyone who likes it stays subbed all the time.

If Eve does have a systemic problem it's certainly not going to be fixed by people whining on the forums about simplistic solutions...

And prior to that force project was one reason you had a vast swaths of NS that were essentially abandoned but were held as buffer zones. Force projection, marching giant fleets across the map very quickly, along with Dominion Sov created a map that looked like this, vs. the one we have today.

Yes, it does give a home field advantage, at least in theory, but considering that super capitals and even capitals do not appear to be as handy in Aegis Sov as Dominion Sov with fatigue and jump range restrictions I do not find that view very compelling. To be clear, we have yet to see super capitals and capitals being the deciding factor in sov warfare so far. Maybe it will become that way some day, but right now...not seeing it.

2 quick ideas to fix the T3 problems:

- T3Ds killed frigates problem: new high level DED sites, which would be a serious challenge for a solo T3D, and the acceleration gates only allow frigates to pass. People would need a small fleet of frigates to do these.
- T3Cs by general problem: now that CCP has good statistics about the most/least common configurations, they could do an actual rebalance, by erasing every numbers on every subsystems and starting to rebuild them from 0. Sure, it's much harder than nerfing something - again...

This thread is based on facts from years of research , I like it.

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Cheaper loot methinks.

This is my first post on the forum, because the problem really exists.

Overall, I totally agree with TeddyKGB.

In 2013, the playing process was really interesting. There was a balance of ships, was pvp action and it was interesting to fly in solo and in a gang.

Now all of this is disappear. The current reality is that you can fly one hour, two or three, and not find a fight. You can fly for hours and die on the drop of capitals. Cyno drops capital and masers. Capitals currently have everyone. People are moving out from systems and come together in large groups of people and there are sitting in the dock just waiting for your dissapeareance. No Pvp Content. Just find another blob and die from capital cyno drop WTF???

No point in making complexes 10 \ 10. Farm anomaly in the pet system, and nothing else to do. As a result, people are sitting in the home system, no roaming and does nothing. Playing bored. Content is not present. Therefore, if ССP do not make a cyno and capital nerf - online will fall further. It's obvious. Just not fun to fly and die from the capital drop.

For example, "entozis Fozzy Sov" and with the introduction of the strongholds - it's not necessary. What for???
Large-scale battles "blob to blob" it is simply not profitable, just sit and farm green anomaly.
T3D Svipul everything does better, no need to use frigates\AF\Crus type.
It's just casual player's point of view and I hope CCP do all their best to find out a general solution to fix it up.

Thanks.

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Or if you find some newbs trying out sov and it turns out that you shouldn't take sov when you cannot defend it or someone who can will take it.
But in my defense, it just happened. And I am so glad that taking sov doesn't involve 3000 supers anymore and you have a lot of small gang action.

Yay, another chart to remember! \o/

Okay, so navy ships are upgraded T1 ships, the logi cruisers got a huge improvement on their DPS, nice work, really nice!
Pirate ships are the best "unspecialized" ships, T2s are more specialized, need a lot more skills to use but still somewhat weaker and a lot cheaper.
The T3s should be about as good as the navy versions... what does "generalization" mean exactly? I mean in this context? I can imagine 2 possible things based on this picture:
A: the ships' basic abilities are about the same as the navy versions' but with the proper combination of subsystems and equipment and with the related skills maxed they could become about as good (maybe slightly better) than the T2s. I imagine this as the basic concept, even if the delivery resulted OP ships.
or
B: take the average stats of the navy ships and give them the rookie ships' bonuses, multiplied by the level of the "Strategic Cruisers" skill.

I know that the strategic cruisers' biggest advantage should be the ability to completely change their roles using a mobile depot, but for this much money and skill learning, I don't see a reason to make them much weaker than the T2 variants.