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Rotik Razzbane
Silvana Innovations
Fraternity.
#1 - 2016-09-02 11:40:40 UTC
Hey guys

Today i want to make complaint on whs comparing to null sec

What we have, is very dangerous (yet empty) wh space, without local and with a loot of scanning, versus quiet null sec, where people have unlimited ores, ice, rats, resources from moons and they don't have annoying drifters (300m reward for thing which can easily shoot marauder, you need fleet or specialised ship to kill this thing) in their systems. Even money are better in null sec for now.
Citadels differences? I don't have words for it.
Only plus of being in wh space are battles, which are rare due to emptiness, and (for me) no local.

WH space is just broken.
Kennesaw Breach
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-09-02 11:55:07 UTC
Rotik Razzbane wrote:
Hey guys

Today i want to make complaint on whs comparing to null sec

What we have, is very dangerous (yet empty) wh space, without local and with a loot of scanning, versus quiet null sec, where people have unlimited ores, ice, rats, resources from moons and they don't have annoying drifters (300m reward for thing which can easily shoot marauder, you need fleet or specialised ship to kill this thing) in their systems. Even money are better in null sec for now.
Citadels differences? I don't have words for it.
Only plus of being in wh space are battles, which are rare due to emptiness, and (for me) no local.

WH space is just broken.


Not sure whether to say "Cool story, bro" or "UR BROKEN!"

Think I'll just sit quietly in my "broken" w-space for another 5 or 6 years and contemplate.
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#3 - 2016-09-02 11:55:43 UTC
not broken , just scan several holes and you will find fight of course you can find too big and gets yourself blobbed.
Oreamnos Amric
Confidently Incompetent
#4 - 2016-09-02 11:59:05 UTC
Rotik Razzbane wrote:
Hey guys

Today i want to make complaint on whs comparing to null sec

What we have, is very dangerous (yet empty) wh space, without local and with a loot of scanning, versus quiet null sec, where people have unlimited ores, ice, rats, resources from moons and they don't have annoying drifters (300m reward for thing which can easily shoot marauder, you need fleet or specialised ship to kill this thing) in their systems. Even money are better in null sec for now.
Citadels differences? I don't have words for it.
Only plus of being in wh space are battles, which are rare due to emptiness, and (for me) no local.

WH space is just broken.



I hear there are areas of quiet null sec with unlimited ores, ice, rats, resources from moons which would be perfect for you. As a bonus they don't have annoying drifters either.
Mokokan
Transtar Services
#5 - 2016-09-02 14:38:55 UTC
Rotik Razzbane wrote:
Hey guys

Today i want to make complaint on whs comparing to null sec

What we have, is very dangerous (yet empty) wh space, without local and with a loot of scanning, versus quiet null sec, where people have unlimited ores, ice, rats, resources from moons and they don't have annoying drifters (300m reward for thing which can easily shoot marauder, you need fleet or specialised ship to kill this thing) in their systems. Even money are better in null sec for now.
Citadels differences? I don't have words for it.
Only plus of being in wh space are battles, which are rare due to emptiness, and (for me) no local.

WH space is just broken.



It sounds like your definition of "broken" is "not easy". If living, working or even just visiting wormholes was easy, what would be the point?
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2016-09-02 14:43:41 UTC
lol stupid null BEARS don't you understand that WH are number ONE (1)

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Rotik Razzbane
Silvana Innovations
Fraternity.
#7 - 2016-09-02 16:04:01 UTC
You didn't understand me, i think null sec sucks. It's too easy, but CCP is just giving them stuff while cutting WH capabilities.

And finding good fight is harder than before, but still possible.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-09-03 00:37:43 UTC
I would say specifically high class space is broken, only a few entities actually pvp and the isk:risk ratio is massively unbalanced towards the risk side.

What op is saying is that there's no point living in wormhole space if you want to make ISK or catch people trying to

Art of Explosions
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#9 - 2016-09-04 19:55:12 UTC
why is ISK maximization a goal, as OP seems to be saying. Make enough to stay in the ships you like and ignore ISK otherwise.

EVE-ing simply to make the most ISK is an idea that makes very little sense. WHs are one of the few areas that actually carry risk anymore, which is what makes this game fun.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#10 - 2016-09-05 09:42:42 UTC
I think there's definitely a whole lot of risk averse dingbats. Like Truly naughty Troop wouldn't take my bait when they outnumbered me 5:2, and then wouldn't even come help me shoot a third party interloper into the baiting operation. Just wants "roams" in WH PVP Channel and if push-button get-content not working and can't do more than F1 anchor up just logs out. I mean...that's the problem with WH's. No one YOLO's, brings 40% Guards and who cares about the ISK, are you just a bunch of poors?

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-09-05 15:21:40 UTC
Being risk averse is a direct consequence of not having isk :D

Art of Explosions
radkid10
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-09-19 00:43:33 UTC
Rotik Razzbane wrote:
Hey guys

Today i want to make complaint on whs comparing to null sec

What we have, is very dangerous (yet empty) wh space, without local and with a loot of scanning, versus quiet null sec, where people have unlimited ores, ice, rats, resources from moons and they don't have annoying drifters (300m reward for thing which can easily shoot marauder, you need fleet or specialised ship to kill this thing) in their systems. Even money are better in null sec for now.
Citadels differences? I don't have words for it.
Only plus of being in wh space are battles, which are rare due to emptiness, and (for me) no local.

WH space is just broken.


Wormhole space is safer and it's less boring and it's easier to get out of without dying

there's a lot of action in Wormhole space you just have to look for it

I personally avoid all action and I've been doing a good job of it so far I haven't lost any ships or a pod

wormhole space is the place to go for sneaky Warfare and easy money
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-09-19 18:24:30 UTC  |  Edited by: unimatrix0030
Sounds to me like null is broken... .
Citadels are filling up null sec space in countless number never to be shot because boring and NO LOOT.
Loval is so overpowered that even bots can warp out 5 jumps before a roam passes by.
Sites are limitless and always available

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#14 - 2016-09-21 12:44:07 UTC
Kind of agree that null seems a little off kilter.

For your personal risk as a small fry - null sec is extremely safe if you're in a larger alliance. This is of course not true in wh space. Everything you bring in; eventually will die.

Of course that's why people show up. You can scrape out a living and get some interesting fights. You won't find 50 man blobs (generally) because the ecosystem can't support it. If every sight were worth 3-5x more than it is now, you might kill the environment that exists now (and be able to support those larger fleets).

I think I'd want to make more isk in wormhole space, but I don't know if I'd want the attention that more isk brings.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#15 - 2016-09-22 07:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
as CCP was nerfing WH connections, like a 1.5 years ago, WH people were happy or at least not worried about it, although voices were heard pointing out possible issues with WH connections getting nerfed into oblivion - in same time you ignored the exodus WH space was suffering from.
now your are complaining about dead J-Space, despite you wanted it this way.
Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#16 - 2016-09-22 07:29:20 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
lol stupid null BEARS don't you understand that WH are number ONE (1)


It is very rare for me to agree with you Andrew, but you are on point with this.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#17 - 2016-09-22 08:07:49 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I would say specifically high class space is broken, only a few entities actually pvp and the isk:risk ratio is massively unbalanced towards the risk side.

What op is saying is that there's no point living in wormhole space if you want to make ISK or catch people trying to


In which case: I respectfully disagree with the OP then.

There's still good ISK to be made in Wormhole Space, but it takes a bit more effort than previously. I certainly agree that the ISK:RISK ratio in Wormholes is too damn high, too much risk for the ISK. The capital escalations ISK Firehose certainly needed a tweak, however another tweak in the opposite direction is now needed.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-09-28 14:28:08 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
What op is saying is that there's no point living in wormhole space if you want to make ISK or catch people trying to

I guess it's ok. There are other parts of cluster where you can go to do this stuff.

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