Science & Industry

Since returning to Eve about a month and a half ago I have had two retrievers ganked by goons while ice mining, and also have the upcoming hulkageddon to look forward to. Seeing as how I'm a high sec miner it is a very bad thing. I am not the type that knows anything about Eve politics, and I have no desire to join a corporation in a huge alliance. However, considering Eve's complexity I was thinking lately about a way to allow the little guys like myself to perhaps have some influence over some of the universe wide events in eve.

What lead me to what I'm about to suggest is the thought that if only Eve had a way to allow you to place restrictions on who bought your goods, the community as a whole could make life very difficult for public enemies. Of course with the avilablity of alts this would never be possible. Additionally I was trying to think of a way to use the Goons own disdain for mining against them.

My idea is to start a thread where known members of corporations or alliances who are active enemies of Goons and actively attacking them could post with their willingness to participate in the following. When a high sec miner like myself goes to sell, it would be nice if members of corps/alliance that are enemies of the goons had "want to buy" mineral contracts up on the market with reduced pay for minerals. They could perhaps label them "anti-goon minerals" or something similar.

Personally I probably bring in 100mil tritanium/20-30mil mexallon/30-50mil pyerite every month. I would happily sell my trit for 3.00, my mex for 40.00 and my pyerite for 3.50 IF I knew that they were going to be actively used against the goons.

I assume that once a member of the said corp or alliance posted in the thread that if they weren't truly enemies of the goons that it would come out quickly and someone would point it out. Once these people have posted and their names have been publicly verified, it would give high sec miners a place to go to look up what names are valid to sell to for contracts such as those.

So my questions are the following....

1) I have no idea how reliant large alliances are on minerals from high sec. If they really don't buy from high sec, then I guess this whole idea is pointless.

2) Are high sec minerals used much in capital ships/alliance warfare?

3) Do you think enough high sec miners would be willing to participate so that it actually had an effect? With hulkageddon coming up it would be nice to have some way to contribute to the cause if you're just a lil guy that ganked.

4) Do you think any of the enemies of the goons would be interested in something like this?


Just wanted to throw the idea out there.

Most players don't care. Everyone jsut sells to the highest bidder and would continiue to do so if there was any way to exclude certain parties. Even if there was a sizable amount of people participating, there's always bots. Those certainly don't care. AND EVEN if those would care, i would just come along, buy your **** and then sell it to whoever. Because traders certainly don't care. AND EVEN if they would, there's always alts.

So yeah, no merit to your idea at all.

OP is another victim in a long list of victims butthurt by Goons

Invest in buckets, I suspect that Goonswarm is buying them in bulk

The rank and file goon was buying the battlecruisers on the market during the interdiction, not the ore. I was buying your monthly output DAILY and selling it as brutixes at a handy profit. ie what you need is for ship builders to agree to sell stuff to non goons, which is crazy talk, as goons are our best customers.

While we can debate the effect of it against the Goons specifically, I think it's a rather cool idea and would enhance the indirect PVP nature of EVE. Only a relatively small number of situations and goods it would be constructive to use with, though.

Why is this not posted in F&I?

Mining is broken in High Sec, if not Goons, someone else will suicide gank your weak mining barge. Salvage/loot lvl4 missions and reprocessing later gives you more profit.

11m seems a bit low, last spawn I had 4 ships 2 with 7m pyrite apiece, 1 with 2.5m mex, and one with 29m trit. I didn't even bother with the trit.

Well, a blacklist would definitely not work. But a whitelist might. Such as being able to set things up like you can with POCOs with different "discounts" for different standings.

You could put items up on the market for X per unit to neutral 3rd parties. If it's a personal sell/buy order, then personal standings (or corp/alliance) are used, if it's a corporate buy order then corp or alliance standings could be used.

For a buy order, you could specify that you'll pay 5% more to corp/alliance, 3% more to +5s / +10s. And sure, -3% and -5% for negative standings folks (who could just use a neutral alt and get the "neutral" price). For a sell order, you could specify that +5/+10 pay X percent less per item and corp/alliance members pay Y percent less.

(In fact, since -5/-10 limits could be so easily worked around, you could probably just not bother and only allow setting of percent discount / bonus for +5, +10, corp and alliance.)

A whitelist discount/bonus would be useful to certain corps / alliances - but it would probably crush the market server. It would be nicer then the current "have to use corporate contracts, which expire every 2 weeks" system.

Your argument is generally invalid as the minerals you say you bring in a month barely scratches the surface of what a null-sec mining fleet brings in per hour. We don't rely on ore from high sec and if you start selling cheaper to non-goons it'll only hurt your bottom line. Not ours.

And I think (for now anyway) an hour of mining drones brings more.

And good ratting might be above that. And of course incursions.