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Idea for fixing warp core stabilizers.
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Therishia Amarthon
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#1 - 2016-09-24 11:25:28 UTC
As a pirate, nothing is more fustrating to me than an enemy who warps out once its clear the fight is tipping to your favour, even though the scram/point is clearly on.

To me it is clearly visible that the penalty for fitting stabs aint harsh enough when pvp setups use them and ore ratters can fit them sithout compromising their fit.

Now i do see that ramping up the pg/cpu is bad as it will hurt the people who actually needs them, haulers ect. So my sugguestion is that stabs will:

A. Offline all turrets/launchers and only allow ecm or rep drones to be launched.

Now if this isnt possible game mechanics-wise i sugguest:

B. Increase turrets and launchers cpu/pg to a lvl where it will offline weapons. + hurt the drone bandwith so launching drones becomes hard.



Now flame on.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2016-09-24 11:30:31 UTC
...Why?

You are not entitled to a killmail if the other guy takes precautions.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2016-09-24 11:34:00 UTC
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2016-09-24 12:21:33 UTC
Bring more scrams. Bring better scrams. Bring friends.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Lugh Crow-Slave
#5 - 2016-09-24 12:50:33 UTC
or you could just fit an extra scram.... or use the navy damp ship

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#6 - 2016-09-24 13:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
They gimp fits pretty hard already. Loss of a slot, targeting range and speed.

If they are fitting enough stabs to get out of a scram or the long point of you and your friend, their fighting ability is seriously reduced.

They do enough.


Also, you should meet this guy.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Sammy Fischer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-09-24 13:21:54 UTC
Here is a counter proposal, make scrams chance based the same way ECM currently is. This way one point will break eventually just based on chance.
I really believe that the tackle mechanic is broken the other way. In actual combat, breaking contact is a major part of the training/planning cycle. In EVE effectively once the fight starts there is almost no way to exstract yourself. Why should you be able to hold an opponent by yourself, bring friends. That is what you tell carebears when they leak tears, and yours, my friend, are extra salty today.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#8 - 2016-09-24 13:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
v wrote:
To me it is clearly visible that the penalty for fitting stabs aint harsh enough when pvp setups use them and ore ratters can fit them sithout compromising their fit.

The penalties for fitting them are rather sever if you ask me.

Your target has to give up 2 or even 3 slots to counter what you can bring to the party by using a single slot.

The sig penalty (50% for T1, 40% for T2) gives you a major advantage as well since that increased sig size makes your weapons more effective.

I could go on listing the penalties for fitting these but I will go with this instead. Strategy play as much of a role in the outcome of a battle in EvE as the combat skills themselves. In this case you were fit to win the combat side of the equation and you chose a target that was fit to win on the strategic side. In the cases that caused you to come and post here it is obvious that you "lost" the strategic side of the equation and as a result you were left with nothing but empty space and your own tears to comfort you. As they say a win is a win and escaping a fight you do not want to be in is a win even if you do not like it.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#9 - 2016-09-24 13:58:27 UTC
Dual scram navy maulus.
Not the best solo ship out there but dammit does it do the trick nicely.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#10 - 2016-09-24 18:55:17 UTC
BRING A BLOB LOL GIT GUD
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2016-09-24 19:52:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Danika Princip wrote:
...Why?

You are not entitled to a killmail if the other guy takes precautions.


No kidding.

Eve is an amazing place....

We have players whining when they are imprudent, and then we have players whining when other players are prudent.

Simply amazing.

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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#12 - 2016-09-25 16:22:44 UTC
And here we are with the fixing things that aren't broken post of the day.
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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-09-27 16:30:47 UTC
Therishia Amarthon wrote:
As a pirate, nothing is more fustrating to me than an enemy who warps out once its clear the fight is tipping to your favour, even though the scram/point is clearly on.

So maybe suggest an indicator so you can tell just how scrammed they really are?

The rest of your post is tears about how someone who isn't using guns is able to not compromise guns they don't have and that isn't fair in your opinion.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-09-27 16:45:34 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
They gimp fits pretty hard already. Loss of a slot, targeting range and speed.

If they are fitting enough stabs to get out of a scram or the long point of you and your friend, their fighting ability is seriously reduced.

They do enough.


Also, you should meet this guy.


Ugh. That thread should have a trigger warning.

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Cade Windstalker
#15 - 2016-09-27 17:16:28 UTC
Therishia Amarthon wrote:
As a pirate, nothing is more fustrating to me than an enemy who warps out once its clear the fight is tipping to your favour, even though the scram/point is clearly on.

To me it is clearly visible that the penalty for fitting stabs aint harsh enough when pvp setups use them and ore ratters can fit them sithout compromising their fit.


This seems a lot like "I think it's a problem that people actually use and fit this module". I regret to inform you that that's not a problem.

Some people would rather be safe and sacrifice tank, or ore yield, or damage, or whatever else that module could be doing (as well as the penalty for the Stab itself) and that's fine. If you really hate people like that so much then fit an extra point or scram or something and overwhelm their stab. That's a trade-off you get to make.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#16 - 2016-09-27 19:41:45 UTC
OP, pvp means many things. Guaranteed kills not among them.


Sometimes the player doesn't want to die and fits to increase chance of that happening. Here enters the pvp part...its on the hunter(s) to want the kill more and do something to counter that.


I know, solo rabble rabble...if that good for you. fact is many don't solo it. These are what you fit for. gate camp has just the one tackle...you clear it. means his friends aren't beating you down if it works out with the missed tackle.