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Reason to be the good guy?

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#81 - 2016-07-05 03:07:31 UTC
I thought Chribba was The Good Guy.


..........


Have I erred?



Cool

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#82 - 2016-07-05 12:00:36 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
I thought Chribba was The Good Guy.


..........


Have I erred?



Cool

Chribba is a unique case.


He also started very early in EVE's history, back when enough trust existed to start an empire based upon it - and even then he has put a lot of work in over the years to build/maintain his peaceful empire.

No modern player will ever be granted enough trust to build an empire to match Chribba's.


Also despite his personal pacifism Chribba's empire is still built on a foundation of blood and destruction. He is zealously defended by the hordes of 0.0 players who rely heavily on his services.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

aldhura
Blackjack and Exotic Dancers
Top Tier
#83 - 2016-07-22 00:47:12 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Here's another reason to be "The Good Guy" : bad guys can't undock anything larger than a destroyer in space they (supposedly) own Twisted, whereas good guys get to fly really cool ships and shiny mods

You know....I don't mine, I don't do anything that puts me in a position to get ganked....I had always kind of considered CODE to be something of a non-entity in EVE. They don't impact my life in any way really - so I thought all their talk was just Role Playing/exaggeration...

But I keep seeing people like you who take a thread about *all* of the "bad" people in EVE....and immediately jump to *only* talking about CODE...

Not just here, but all over the forums....And even in-game. People can't even insult each other in local (in high sec) without accusing the other person of being "CODE" anymore, regardless of relevance to their particular grievance...


So I am forced to revise my opinion.... Apparently CODE really are making a huge impact on high-sec. They clearly dominate the thoughts of, if not the majority of carebears, at least a very significant percentage of them...

They are more talked about than the rest of the "bad" guys combined... So I guess they've won. They really have taken over high sec in the minds of a surprisingly large percentage of players like you.


Yet another example of how being the "Bad Guy" pays off I guess... (not to mention all the billions/trillions of isk they are raking in)


People afraid to post with their mains have no opinions..
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#84 - 2016-07-22 00:53:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
aldhura wrote:
People afraid to post with their mains have no opinions..

Big words for someone hiding in a wormhole...

Also, does it still apply if 50+% of the reason I still use a forum alt is just to **** people like you off? P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#85 - 2016-07-22 08:14:28 UTC
aldhura wrote:
blahblahblah......



Says the loser hiding in an NPC corp. On a forum alt.

Ugh

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#86 - 2016-07-22 09:29:51 UTC
I have often chosen path of 'being the good guy'. It was one of the rules I decided to adopt when joining this game. Of course, it can be matter of perspective and you could argue I am not good guy as I too have engaged in piracy, have joined operations where utter destruction of opposing group is your goal and have even ganked once.

But for each action I have taken there has usually been reason behind it, a justification. If space ship violence is measure for are you good or bad, then I am bad, but I do live by certain code.

- Always, always help newbro out. (shoot him first though to test attitude.) give tips, isk, perhaps invite to corp if he is that kind of material.
- Always remain honest and true to your words. If you agree something, make sure you hold to your end of agreement. I find reputation of being trustworthy far more better than temporary gain from scamming. Though for me, isk has never been any importance in this game.
- Keep list of grudges. When you are bored and looking for something to shoot, see who has wronged you in past and go shoot him. Been pretty fun. Thus far we have destroyed high sec wardeccing empire. (space warriors in late 2013??), Pirat's poco empire (have they got those back yet?) Hunted individuals who hunted us when we were starting the game. Hot dropped hot droppers relentlessly for weekend and other fun stuff like that. There will be enough people who wrong you in this game. Remember that and you wont run out of content. Also, you can call it justice.

Things I never do are scamming, awoxing, ganking (okay did once). I always try to not burn any bridges when groups split. My corp has split many times in past and also come back together again. We are not many, but being good guy has given me solid group of friends in this game that I know I can trust and have my back when needed.

For me trust is most valuable asset in this game. No isk can replace that. Generally being good guy gives you more trust. Might not be quick or instantaneous gain, but it builds up over time.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#87 - 2016-07-22 10:34:28 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
aldhura wrote:
blahblahblah......



Says the loser hiding in an NPC corp. On a forum alt.

Ugh

Lol, he was in a WH corp (probably still on a noob alt based on the killboard) when he first posted it...

I wonder if he dropped corp to hide or if he was kicked...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Fiddly Pop
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#88 - 2016-08-25 22:14:19 UTC
kronlor wrote:
There are grand rewards for those who can scam and steal the best, but nothing for those who play by the rules. The honest good guys i guess have nothing to gain, and everything to lose.


Yes I cannot agree more. But you can help SAVE Highsec

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/become-agent.html

Without rules, there is no such thing as freedom. By enforcing a system of just laws, we give the miners liberation from their own worst instincts. And through this process, the miners can be molded into better people, the kind worthy of joining the new community of EVE.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#89 - 2016-09-14 23:00:56 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
I thought Chribba was The Good Guy.


..........


Have I erred?



Cool


No modern player will ever be granted enough trust to build an empire to match Chribba's.



Kinda true and kinda nonsense right now. Chribba has the power of momentum behind him, but someone absolutely could become a trustable "Rival" if Chribba for the goods and services he provides and probably still make filthy lucre off of it. The ultimate problem is most attempts to do this have been thinly veiled scams.

If I was going to setup an escrow service though I'd have to do it on a clean account because god knows the Goonswarm name would really work against me.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#90 - 2016-09-14 23:07:41 UTC
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS!!!

grrrrgrrrrrrrrrrgrrrrrrrrrrrrrgrrrrrrrrrrrr

herpderp

ITS A TARP

Lol

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#91 - 2016-09-14 23:08:49 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Kinda true and kinda nonsense right now. Chribba has the power of momentum behind him, but someone absolutely could become a trustable "Rival" if Chribba for the goods and services he provides and probably still make filthy lucre off of it. The ultimate problem is most attempts to do this have been thinly veiled scams.

If I was going to setup an escrow service though I'd have to do it on a clean account because god knows the Goonswarm name would really work against me.

Ah but how do you know they've been thinly veiled scams?

Did you give them a try?

Or did you just *assume* they were thinly veiled scams? Because that is kind of my point - it is hard to tell the difference, and difficult to establish that level of trust for any meaningful transaction without someone first taking a chance and trusting you...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2016-09-14 23:29:45 UTC
I once X'ed up in Jita local and some duder sent me 1 Mil ISK. So I told everybody his services were legit. Twisted
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2016-09-15 06:47:42 UTC
The trustworthy people don't apply for that job; if they do, suspect a scam.
Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
#94 - 2016-09-26 17:46:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Estuary Algaert
Love these good guy / bad guy threads.

So yeah, I am a "good guy". I :

  • Encourage people to play this fine game.
  • Constructively help with fits and give advise.
  • Honor contracts/pacts made.
  • Treat other people with respect.
  • Show patience and understanding with language barriers.


My corp mates all share these ideals but, well, I am reasonably sure many people don't see us as "good". In the end we make a reasonable profit, meet a lot of interesting people, and have fun doing it. Quite rewarding.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#95 - 2016-09-26 18:37:45 UTC
kronlor wrote:
So as everyone knows for the most part in EVE you can do w/e you want or can to get ahead.

Scam, lies and piracy are all viable strategies. So it makes me question what if any are the benefits to having any sort of moral compass at all in this game?

I just dont see any benefit to being allies with concord, and not being the greatest scumbag possible.

There are grand rewards for those who can scam and steal the best, but nothing for those who play by the rules. The honest good guys i guess have nothing to gain, and everything to lose.




Define "Good Guy". There is no shortage of apoplectic rage-chimps who will shower you with profanity and slurs all while truly believing that they're the "good guy" because they don't blow up mining barges. Roll

Also, Concord is Eve's impartial executioner. You're positively deranged if you think they're a paragon of morality. Lol

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#96 - 2016-09-26 18:46:54 UTC
This kind of post is inviting another debate, anyway my take, I am not what I consider a 'good guy' but I do play within the rules that keep me from dropping sec status, stealing, scamming, etc, to me if you need to do all that to "get ahead" you are just no good at the available ways to make isk in the many, many ways CCP has provided.

I've been here for years and have had every ship I needed no problem with working for it, I have never stolen, cheated, or otherwise do dirty things to get ahead and I am having plenty of entertainment, if giving others a hard time is what gives you pleasure then I'd say it's not the game you enjoy, I'm not speaking of PVP or going into low security spaces and not expecting PVP i'm speaking of the many flies that buzz about with only one thing in mind, how they can ruin someone's day (you know who you are).

Anyway, if being a good guy is not being a nutter then I guess it's me.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#97 - 2016-09-26 19:01:27 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:
I might argue that it is, in fact, the "bad guys" who are truly good in EvE. Without them there would be unregulated inflation from the glut of isk and materials constantly being generated. Our newbro friends would find their own modest acquisitions stripped of all value by the mindless hordes of missionbears, anombears, and minerbears burning hours upon hours of time wrecking the economy!
If not for the valiant efforts of mercs, wardeccers, and suicide gankers, all the nutrients would be gone from the soil preventing new life from blossoming! The "bad" guys are the gardeners of EvE.

Want to be good?
Be bad.

So very true. The very satisfaction these carebears and industrialist get from gathering and building stuff directly flows from the fact that "content generators"' create demand by using and exploding goods in New Eden. If ships could never be lost without the permission of the owner or respawned or something, none of this work would have value. No one would buy your stuff removing any meaning of what to be honest, is mechanically uninteresting work.

Competitive PvP games only work if someone takes the initiative to attack. If everyone just sits around and builds all the time, nothing will happen and the game will stagnate and die.

So next time you see your friendly neighborhood highsec aggressor, give them a friendly wave and thank them for their service to keeping one of the most compelling elements to this game, the player-driven economy, moving. They are indeed in a sense, good guys.



Ahhh, but the same can be said for mission bears, I've lost my fair share of ships doing missions so this also helps, as an industrialist I buy lots of stuff off the markets, as a miner I sell to others who have big plans but need help getting those items (you ever mine for a few hours), it's not easy.

I build tech II hulls and sell them, next time you fly tech II you should thank your industrialist, everything must work in harmony or it doesn't work.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#98 - 2016-09-26 19:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
Piugattuk wrote:
Ahhh, but the same can be said for mission bears, I've lost my fair share of ships doing missions

When I started EVE I too ran missions. And I must say I can't even figure out how people are able to lose ships in there. Maybe they changed or something, but they where so predictable and you knew in advance what damage type was flying your way and what is best to kill them.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#99 - 2016-09-26 19:42:31 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

When I started EVE I too ran missions. And I must say I can't even figure out how people are able to lose ships in there.



Pretty sure most mission-related deaths boil down to Pornhub, Netflix, and disconnects, in that order.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Black Pedro
Mine.
#100 - 2016-09-26 19:52:33 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Ahhh, but the same can be said for mission bears, I've lost my fair share of ships doing missions so this also helps, as an industrialist I buy lots of stuff off the markets, as a miner I sell to others who have big plans but need help getting those items (you ever mine for a few hours), it's not easy.

I build tech II hulls and sell them, next time you fly tech II you should thank your industrialist, everything must work in harmony or it doesn't work.
I guess. To a limited extent at least. Demand created by loss of assets to NPCs is a fraction of that created by PvP. And by definition those mission runners are flooding material into the shared economy at a much greater rate than they are losing stuff missioning, or they would quickly go bankrupt and be able to undock in anything.

PvPers on the hand only consume, not create (insurance excepted).

As for "thanking my industrialist" I do that by giving them my ISK for their goods - they are not doing me a favour by making stuff for me (except for a few fans that appreciate me ganking their competition and make a donation). That is of course when I don't spend the time to click a few times myself and make my own gear.

But ultimately you are correct, PvP needs industry and industry needs PvP. We need both producers and destroyers. It is the circle of Eve.