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Citadel courier contracts should have docking permits included.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#21 - 2016-09-26 09:13:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:

Well, "It's always been that way," is an inherently useless argument, so that's not really great, either.


Sure it is, this scam is a decade old and scamming people is just as much a part of EVE as mining and gate camps.

Scamming should also require effort, and citadel courier contracts do not require any tangible effort. You plant a worthless Astrahus in a random system, setup the couriers and wait a bit. You do not even need to sit ingame all the time because EVEMon and CREST systems notify you once someone took the contract. You then just log in, remove docking rights and that's it. And in order to disguise your actions, you just need to roll corps after every contract. There is no counter to it, no way to smuggle your package in anyways because these are 1 man corps. With the sov null scams, you could at least find someone daft in the same alliance/blue group to transport the package for you, or get your own disposable alt in there, but nothing like this works with citadels. They are effortless, inexpensive and indefinitely repeatable scam machines.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2016-09-26 09:40:56 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:



Scamming should also require effort, and citadel courier contracts do not require any tangible effort.


Why should scams require effort? They rely entirely on the greed and stupidity of the victim.

Rivr Luzade wrote:

You plant a worthless Astrahus in a random system, setup the couriers and wait a bit. You do not even need to sit ingame all the time because EVEMon and CREST systems notify you once someone took the contract. You then just log in, remove docking rights and that's it. And in order to disguise your actions, you just need to roll corps after every contract. There is no counter to it, no way to smuggle your package in anyways because these are 1 man corps.


Thats a lot of work for something that is supposedly no effort.



Rivr Luzade wrote:

With the sov null scams, you could at least find someone daft in the same alliance/blue group to transport the package for you, or get your own disposable alt in there, but nothing like this works with citadels. They are effortless, inexpensive and indefinitely repeatable scam machines.


Most of these scams are run by the station owners, so they work in the same way as the last ten years of these scams. The only difference is you can now blow up the offending station.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#23 - 2016-09-26 10:28:35 UTC
Compared to other scams with courier contracts (like intercepting the hauler on the way), this is no effort at all. And the destructibility of the citadels has no bearing at all on the scamming.

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2016-09-26 10:48:15 UTC
Be nice if a director could hand out docking passes with expiration date though. Just for those occasions where your freighter is in an alt corp and you want to make a delivery in the unfashionable end of nullsec.

Kind of like how you could temporarily gain POS protection when your friend told you the password.

Managing opsec is of course the director's responsability.
Matsu Fumiko
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-09-26 14:01:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:



Scamming should also require effort, and citadel courier contracts do not require any tangible effort.


Why should scams require effort? They rely entirely on the greed and stupidity of the victim.

Rivr Luzade wrote:

You plant a worthless Astrahus in a random system, setup the couriers and wait a bit. You do not even need to sit ingame all the time because EVEMon and CREST systems notify you once someone took the contract. You then just log in, remove docking rights and that's it. And in order to disguise your actions, you just need to roll corps after every contract. There is no counter to it, no way to smuggle your package in anyways because these are 1 man corps.


Thats a lot of work for something that is supposedly no effort.



Rivr Luzade wrote:

With the sov null scams, you could at least find someone daft in the same alliance/blue group to transport the package for you, or get your own disposable alt in there, but nothing like this works with citadels. They are effortless, inexpensive and indefinitely repeatable scam machines.


Most of these scams are run by the station owners, so they work in the same way as the last ten years of these scams. The only difference is you can now blow up the offending station.


Following this all haulers should be able to drop the wrap at the next NPC Station and leave a notice at the undockable Cita that the recipient was not to be found and where the wrap can be collected Lol

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2016-09-26 15:59:00 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Compared to other scams with courier contracts (like intercepting the hauler on the way), this is no effort at all. And the destructibility of the citadels has no bearing at all on the scamming.


Which scams would those be? Recruitment scams? Double your isk scams? Supercap scams?

An activity, especially one that is over 10 years old should not be banned now simply because it takes advantage of the greedy and stupid.
Lustriev
#27 - 2016-09-26 16:10:45 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
Be nice if a director could hand out docking passes with expiration date though. Just for those occasions where your freighter is in an alt corp and you want to make a delivery in the unfashionable end of nullsec.

Kind of like how you could temporarily gain POS protection when your friend told you the password.

Managing opsec is of course the director's responsability.


This can be done already. All the director needs to do is to set the neutral person blue for the time it takes him to dock into your station/citadel.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#28 - 2016-09-26 18:04:48 UTC
FFS girls, get back up, dust off a bit and get back in the game. It was just isk and you're a lot smarter for it. You got a good deal.


Get over it.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2016-09-27 06:11:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Compared to other scams with courier contracts (like intercepting the hauler on the way), this is no effort at all. And the destructibility of the citadels has no bearing at all on the scamming.


Which scams would those be? Recruitment scams? Double your isk scams? Supercap scams?

An activity, especially one that is over 10 years old should not be banned now simply because it takes advantage of the greedy and stupid.

Who talks about banning? Even with the delivery to a blocked citadel under the condition that you had access when you accepted the contract, you can still do that scam with citadels that had no docking rights to begin with.

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Baronin von Blechreder
LUMPY Titan Replacement Fund Ltd.
#30 - 2016-09-27 07:38:25 UTC
I just had the problem with a scam contract - after aksing CCP how to avoid this:

(Just for the "greedy courier" faction: standard collateral, few above average reward Blink - scam was not predictable.)

It's the players responsibility to make sure to be able to dock - the route is available before the contract is accepted.

LOL, rarely heard a better joke.

Since I do not manage docking rights, I'm not able to make sure, that I will be able to fulfill the contract when I jump to the citadel.

Building up a citadel is a small investement for this Kind of scam. Just build it up, create 2-4 contracts. If the collateral is well chosen the first one taken will repay the Astrahus.

Wrap Cita, change system, create new corp, repeat.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2016-09-27 09:21:14 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Compared to other scams with courier contracts (like intercepting the hauler on the way), this is no effort at all. And the destructibility of the citadels has no bearing at all on the scamming.


Which scams would those be? Recruitment scams? Double your isk scams? Supercap scams?

An activity, especially one that is over 10 years old should not be banned now simply because it takes advantage of the greedy and stupid.

Who talks about banning? Even with the delivery to a blocked citadel under the condition that you had access when you accepted the contract, you can still do that scam with citadels that had no docking rights to begin with.


You do when you demand an end to this scam, a scam that is as old as outposts. It's about time ccp stopped nerfing the fun out of eve just to protect people from their own stupidity.
Teddy KGB
Red Warming
3200.
#32 - 2016-09-27 09:29:17 UTC
agree.. at least if one cannot dock then one cannot accept contract.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-09-27 09:32:56 UTC
I'll probably end in haulers not accepting citadel delivery contracts unless they have a trust relationship with the destination owners. Pretty much like delivering to nullsec stations.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#34 - 2016-09-27 09:43:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Compared to other scams with courier contracts (like intercepting the hauler on the way), this is no effort at all. And the destructibility of the citadels has no bearing at all on the scamming.


Which scams would those be? Recruitment scams? Double your isk scams? Supercap scams?

An activity, especially one that is over 10 years old should not be banned now simply because it takes advantage of the greedy and stupid.

Who talks about banning? Even with the delivery to a blocked citadel under the condition that you had access when you accepted the contract, you can still do that scam with citadels that had no docking rights to begin with.


You do when you demand an end to this scam, a scam that is as old as outposts. It's about time ccp stopped nerfing the fun out of eve just to protect people from their own stupidity.

Read the above and then rethink what you wrote.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#35 - 2016-09-27 15:24:51 UTC
Baltec1 - let me know when you find a replacement game. I'm right at the edge of not being able to deal with these ninnies anymore. When you find an unblemished sand box - I'm all in! I don't care if I have to ride a pony or dragonfly or whatever - I'll wear a purple robe if need be.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2016-09-27 16:19:55 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:

Read the above and then rethink what you wrote.


View stays the same.

Its a decade old scam that works in the same way as with outposts. It should not be nerfed to help protect the stupid and greedy from themselves.
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