Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You don't seem fine.

I don't know how you would hope CCP take any of this seriously at this point. Too much personal rubbish going on because you clearly tilted in the last couple of pages.

AFK cloaking. Can't move, can't target, cant shoot and nobody is at the controls. Yet somehow it has a direct effect on other people.



So its not ok for a pvp pilot to sit in local and do nothing at all but it is perfectly fine for a pve player to make billions AFK ratting...

You don't even see the hypocrisy in your argument do you?

We ran mutiboxing carriers, but hey, why would we expect you to be honest about my corp when you cant even be honest about your motives in this thread.


How does AFK cloaking prevent anyone from doing anything?


The truth for once?

Easy enough to check Bat Country on Zkill, just go to stats then click on HAC's then go to page 16 and there they are in all their AFK glory...

Edit: Then go to page 17 and so on, its laughable to see mate.

See the unhealthy obsession part, you had the quote close to hand. The conversation was around the warping from celestrials and place does not mean same spot either. And I have actually blown up one camper this way which I stated in that thread and I said that I was cloaked waiting for him when he landed on grid. Simple stuff really. The other quote I should have said a small amount of ISK, because it is free intel, as in virtually no effort and a small amount of ISK. What happened to that guy is that his cloak deactivated for some odd reason.

But if it sails your boat that's fine.

Nah. Thankfully when it comes to things that no one else says, the forum search function works fine. So no more at hand than a quick typing in the search box.

But you should just recommend that as the AFK cloaking counter. So easy.

'exactly the same place' is exactly the same place after all.

lol


Liar.

It's like you think we can't look these things up.

It was warping between bookmarks to make an off direct line of warp safe:

They were cloaked in a deep safe, which had been created some time ago by warping between two celestials, dropping a bookmark, warping somewhere else, warping to the original bookmark, and then warping between the bookmarks to create a third and final bookmark.

Heylo, I return. Lets see if I can answer this in a way that doesn't make me come off like a... well, you know.

At least out my way, which admittedly is not the most dangerous of space, having an AFK cloaker in system makes people cautious to bring out their PVE boats, if not downright afraid. The potential for a hot drop coming their way on whatever bling they normally run inhibits their desire to risk it.

The answer to this, given current mechanics, is to rat in groups in pvp ships and fits. Which seems simple enough, if you can get a small group of people to transition to a more PVP mindset. Not quite as easy as it sounds, despite Eve being a pvp game.

Now. I've said it before, I'm not looking for a direct nerf to cloaks or the ships that use them. I desire an option to go on the offensive so that both sides have offensive and defensive options to deal with each other. With the appropriate reductions in power that come from fitting such things. Cloaky camper has to fit the cloak, anti-cloak has to fit the launcher/module/whatever is needed to scan for variances that lead to the area where the cloak-using ship is.

There are two other points I'd like to make. First, if we're not allowed to be safe anywhere, and that means cloaky campers are allowable... I'd ask why they are allowed to be "safe" by being unscannable? Only safe spot is in an NPC station, no? If you're undocked, you're not safe, but sitting afk all day in a safe spot with your cloak on makes you... safe. This seems like a one-sided defense of the practice, and not in keeping with the argument used to defend it. A mechanic that only works one way, which I tend to dislike.

The second point is this. You've expressed that cloaky camping is the only counter to local. Do the campers not also benefit from local? They can see the ebb and flow of traffic through a system, follow and look up specific targets by name via the local list just the same as anyone else. For the purposes of checking killboards and determining what types of ship/fits they fly before choosing to drop or not drop. While you might argue that they don't rely on it as much, it is still a 2-way source of free intel. So arguing that being cloaked and camping as a counter to local seems a bit silly to me.

But, with that said, I'm learning to manipulate d-scan as my primary source of information instead of relying on local as much. I would adapt to the removal of Local as a passive intel source and make it something less... so. All you get is a number of player signatures in system. No names, no tags. Unless someone broadcasts into local. Doesn't tell you when a person has left, just that someone has by an uptick or downtick in the number of player signatures. Call it stargate tracking, whatever.

So you hop into a system with a high number but there's not a gate camp in effect? You're free to go about your day, but keep your d-scan pinging so you can see incoming FoF's and take action accordingly. Any group with a halfway decent intelligence division would rig something up within those mechanics to single out neutrals and foes, but it would have to be a much more active process.

And that, I am okay with. Does that cover everything? Oh. Right. I'm against any AFK gameplay. Sitting AFK in a station waiting on trades to go through is one thing. AFK mining, ratting or camping? Not so much. I say kill all AFK playstyles.

Still waiting for you to answer the question.

A few things. No one said being docked in a station is the only way to be safe. Taken from the "golden rules of EVE"



source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=491023&find=unread

Cloaks help PvE-ers as well. It's far from one sided. I have a cloak on 80% of my PvE ships. If someone comes into system I never dock or go to a POS (unless I'm reshipping to shoot someone). I warp to a safe spot and cloak up. Now I can't be hunted as well. When a gang of 30 people roll into your system, cloaking at a safe in a billion or more ISK ship means I deny the hunter intel on what I'm even flying. The safety through cloaks is a two way street, and the downside is a hunter can't kill anyone, the hunted can't earn ISK. That's a fair balance.

So do you by that logic.

And yeah, I've been doing some semi-AFK mining while working from home and while asteroids to deplete I have found that if you pick the larger asteroids you can get multiple cycles out of them. In fact you could use a mobile depot, swap out a tanking mod, scan the asteroids find the ones with the most ore, swap back to the tanking mod and off you go.