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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#21 - 2016-09-23 12:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Lan Wang wrote:

wouldnt expect to get your ship's srp'd then, what means more to you, a few shekels from a blown up interceptor or isk back for your 1bil proteus you lost?

1 billion Proteus? Please... Don't be poor..

But back on topic. How we do it in Bombers Bar is quite simple, really. All the loot either goes to the FC, who contracts it to our management corp, or the fleet members contract it directly.
The only exception to that rule is that a hunter killer gets to choose a single item from the unfortunate victim he caught, which he can keep for himself.

The isk we gain from selling the loot is used for OBomberCare (our SRP program - trademark pending) or to buy fuel / bombs / other stuff.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#22 - 2016-09-23 12:59:02 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
1 billion Proteus? Please... Don't be poor..


what you mean poor?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
KatherinZaa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2016-09-23 13:05:47 UTC
Maybe I explained it wrongly.
I beleive that loot distributing among members is good. SRP is good when losts ships compensated from loot.

My concerns is only about ALL loot to FC - no compensation no distribution.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#24 - 2016-09-23 13:30:48 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
And the FC might only be compensated for his efforts through part of this arrangement.
Usually if we kill something very shiny loot goes to an FC, a central corporation or a person who is willing to divide it amongst the group or towards a particular cause.
If you fly T1 stuff insuring the ship should cover most of your costs.

An alternative rule "you get to keep what you scoop" has too many perverse incentives and potential drama causing elements that it's just easier to give it all to the fc and "let him deal with it" (turning stuff into isk is what some of us are too lazy for so this is actually quite convenient.)

ps. i reserve the right to keep any corpses scooped on roams :D



I agree, too often people fight over stuff, and if the corp has a ship replacement program then this help fund it as well as banking for mods or BPC for the corp, a lot goes on that the minions don't always see, now on the other hand if your ISK making is getting cut by too many fleet ops that are mandatory and then on top of this you have to 'give up' the loot I would say it is imbalanced and would try to work it out with the FC that you need more time devoted to earning, I think most people understand that not everyone can play enough to fund themselves for their needs because of RL, hopefully your Corp understands and won't just kick you, good luck.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#25 - 2016-09-23 13:42:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
KatherinZaa wrote:
Maybe I explained it wrongly.
I beleive that loot distributing among members is good. SRP is good when losts ships compensated from loot.

My concerns is only about ALL loot to FC - no compensation no distribution.

Afaik, it's not very common.. But well, I only hang around in Bombers Bar and talk about the good ol' days all day long without actually playing the game, so I guess I wouldn't know either way.

My advice would be to just not fly with those FCs.


Lan Wang wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
1 billion Proteus? Please... Don't be poor..


what you mean poor?

http://i.giphy.com/xTiTnHhWZabtU3MIEM.gif

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#26 - 2016-09-23 13:54:05 UTC
KatherinZaa wrote:
Maybe I explained it wrongly.
I beleive that loot distributing among members is good. SRP is good when losts ships compensated from loot.

My concerns is only about ALL loot to FC - no compensation no distribution.


I have never seen that nor has it come up as a common forum topic. I would hazard a guess then that it is rare not a trend.
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-09-23 14:09:12 UTC
You can steal their loot if you want to. Just be careful next time. Derp.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#28 - 2016-09-23 14:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
These "someone is doing something I don't like ARRGGGG" threads are popping up way more often here. Like the last one about API keys and the one before that about killmails.

Let me tell you, I used to FC back when Faction Warfare 1st started (on another character, Cassius Rex). It got to the point that if I logged in in Villore or Old Man's Star, local would instantly erupt with "Cassius, start a fleet!!!" by many people. I wasn't even that good, the advantage I did have was that I existed when other FCs mostly didn't (lol). I'd make a fleet and fly out to kill squids and would get all kinds of 'suggestions" and back seat FCing on comms and in chat. When I'd whelp a fleet (ie most times) I'd get loads of criticism....from people who were not the FC.

So I'd say"If you don't like my FCing, don't join my fleet" and "it's ok if you want to FC, il;ll give you the star right now". NO ONE ever took me up on that offer, and i eventually left FW for npc nullsec because I got sick of people thinking that I owed them a fleet.

So i'll say the same here. If you don't like an FC's policy about loot (or the need to give a corp an API key, or the fact that someone can see the officer fit Raven you whelped because of killmails), Kindly consider JUST SODDING OFF and doing your own damn fleets and corps.
Serene Repose
#29 - 2016-09-23 18:58:26 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
KatherinZaa wrote:
Please ppl stop telling me what to do. Im not asking that. I was asking only about how common is that trend, thats all.

Ummm, from your OP:
"Please tell me what you think about this rule. "
If you don't like what we think that's ok, but we just responded to what you asked for.
Some people want you to fish an idea out of their heads, then tell them they should think that. I know.
There isn't a name for it . . . yet.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#30 - 2016-09-23 19:10:46 UTC
If it doesnt go to the FC, in my experience the other place it goes is to the logi pilots. Pretty fair imo

@lunettelulu7
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#31 - 2016-09-24 00:19:23 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
These "someone is doing something I don't like ARRGGGG" threads are popping up way more often here. Like the last one about API keys and the one before that about killmails.

Let me tell you, I used to FC back when Faction Warfare 1st started (on another character, Cassius Rex). It got to the point that if I logged in in Villore or Old Man's Star, local would instantly erupt with "Cassius, start a fleet!!!" by many people. I wasn't even that good, the advantage I did have was that I existed when other FCs mostly didn't (lol). I'd make a fleet and fly out to kill squids and would get all kinds of 'suggestions" and back seat FCing on comms and in chat. When I'd whelp a fleet (ie most times) I'd get loads of criticism....from people who were not the FC.

So I'd say"If you don't like my FCing, don't join my fleet" and "it's ok if you want to FC, il;ll give you the star right now". NO ONE ever took me up on that offer, and i eventually left FW for npc nullsec because I got sick of people thinking that I owed them a fleet.

So i'll say the same here. If you don't like an FC's policy about loot (or the need to give a corp an API key, or the fact that someone can see the officer fit Raven you whelped because of killmails), Kindly consider JUST SODDING OFF and doing your own damn fleets and corps.


just wait till the alphas arrive....

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#32 - 2016-09-24 02:07:51 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:

just wait till the alphas arrive....




They're here

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Raven Kvetina
Dependable Delinquents
Fraternity.
#33 - 2016-09-24 09:48:47 UTC
The one thing I don't like about free for all looting is that there's always someone in fleet who can loot faster than everyone else and he can walk away with billions while everyone else gets nothing.
Toobo
Project Fruit House
#34 - 2016-09-24 10:31:50 UTC
If you want fair system, everyone can earn points for every fleet participation, and when that officer loot drops, you bid with your points and the highest point bidder takes the loot!

Oh wait.... that's not EVE :p

Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#35 - 2016-09-24 11:14:51 UTC
Raven Kvetina wrote:
The one thing I don't like about free for all looting is that there's always someone in fleet who can loot faster than everyone else and he can walk away with billions while everyone else gets nothing.


ceptor pilots...

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Rebnok
Dependable Delinquents
Fraternity.
#36 - 2016-09-26 00:41:16 UTC
shoot wrecks, problem solved
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2016-09-26 00:45:42 UTC
I always dropped my cargo hold in our corp's loot hangar like an upstanding citizen.

(nobody said anything about fleet hangars tho Twisted)
Bruce Kemp
Best Kept Dunked
#38 - 2016-09-26 08:22:18 UTC
KatherinZaa wrote:
Please tell me what you think about this rule.
I returned to EVE after a long period of absence and find our that "All good loot (not t1 - t2) goes to FC" very common now among some big communities in EVE.
I remember that long ago such rule were never in use.

So please tell me is it a trend in EVE now for most of corp and alliances, or it is an strange exception?


All our booty collected and shared with all members in fleet. Twisted
Lukas Tandzi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-09-26 11:04:51 UTC
I have no problem what so ever that for example BB takes the shiny loot.
They organize fleets, fix fuel trucks, they hunt and they set everything up.

If it was smaller roams into null like a Spectre Fleet FC taking all loot I probably have an Issue with it.
Jayne Fillon
#40 - 2016-09-27 18:29:03 UTC
Spectre FCs only ever ask for the loot if it's really valuable, such as a high type deadspace or officer mod, and in that case it is usually sold immediately to provide for bonuses or ship SRP to those who participated in the kill or fleet. Of course, that's the organization level policy, and individuals FCs can really do whatever the **** they want since there is very little oversight.

However, this has existed in the open communities in one form or another for the last three years. It's not really something new.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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