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CCPlease can we get a second dread

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Not My Main
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-09-23 14:28:56 UTC
So I have got an alt that only has missiles skills trained as I wanted to make him missiles only pilot. I'm now getting to a point where I should really start thinking about training him in to a dread, and of course my obvious choice would be phoenix. Now, there is nothing wrong with phoenix, I'm sure it's a perfectly good boat, but seems to be only really viable in shield fleets. Not to say that people have not used them in armor fleets, but it's not a dedicated armor missile ship if you will and that annoys. It annoys probably more than it should!

If you look at four main factions, you can see that they like to use two different weapon systems when arming their ships and this can be seen from frigates all the way to battleships. So why don't dreads have same versatility?

So please CCP can you add a second dread to represent the secondary weapon chosen by each race? Then dedicated missile pilots like me can train in to ammar dread to have a dedicated armor missile dread or minmatar dread to have cookie cutter shield/armor dread. Alternatively hybrid turret pilots can train in to caldari dread to have a shield hybrid dread.

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#2 - 2016-09-23 14:34:52 UTC
Or maybe now is the time to expand your skills and train guns? Drones and go for carrier? Pray for a mordus legion dread or a gurista one?
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#3 - 2016-09-23 14:35:39 UTC
1. Post with your main, coward.
2. Wrong forum.
3. This isn't going to happen and why should it anyway.
4. Aren't citadel missiles so ******* useless that a titan can speed tank them just by going 50m/s?

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Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#4 - 2016-09-23 15:51:38 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:

4. Aren't citadel missiles so ******* useless that a titan can speed tank them just by going 50m/s?


Not anymore. They got rebalanced a while back. They're still ****, but now they can at least hit stuff. And with the new HAW weapons, the Phoenix actually makes a good anti support ship.

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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#5 - 2016-09-23 15:57:24 UTC
Not My MainNow wrote:
there is nothing wrong with phoenix, I'm sure it's a perfectly good boat, but seems to be only really viable in shield fleets.


Besides for a few niche cases, the Phoenix is hands down the worst dread due to application. Siege prevents remote assistance, so most people do not care about mixing dreads with shield and armor tank.

A second dread, the way you have described, wouldn't add anything to the game. Once you have one dread reasonably skilled, cross training isn't really so bad, so you actually are pretty flexible. The Phoenix being so bad right now basically saves you training time already - takes like a few days at most to get the per-requisite racial BS 3 to start an off racial dread.

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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-09-23 16:19:17 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Not My MainNow wrote:
there is nothing wrong with phoenix, I'm sure it's a perfectly good boat, but seems to be only really viable in shield fleets.


Besides for a few niche cases, the Phoenix is hands down the worst dread due to application. Siege prevents remote assistance, so most people do not care about mixing dreads with shield and armor tank.

A second dread, the way you have described, wouldn't add anything to the game. Once you have one dread reasonably skilled, cross training isn't really so bad, so you actually are pretty flexible. The Phoenix being so bad right now basically saves you training time already - takes like a few days at most to get the per-requisite racial BS 3 to start an off racial dread.

Large [Gun] V, very much preferably with damage application support skills. That's a month and a half at least.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#7 - 2016-09-23 16:23:17 UTC
Would this second dread by any chance be: "The correct dread"?

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#8 - 2016-09-23 16:48:24 UTC
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
That's a month and a half at least.


Which is nothing considering all the rest of the SP that goes into dreads.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#9 - 2016-09-23 16:50:50 UTC
I would like to use this opportunity to laugh at the Vehement usage stats: https://zkillboard.com/ship/42124/topalltime/

If they do introduce a new dread line they will probably cost 10B and have bonuses to data sites.

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Not My Main
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-09-23 17:19:17 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Not My MainNow wrote:
there is nothing wrong with phoenix, I'm sure it's a perfectly good boat, but seems to be only really viable in shield fleets.


Siege prevents remote assistance, so most people do not care about mixing dreads with shield and armor tank.


Actually completely missed that part! Yes, in that case it doesn't matter at all.

Still would be nice to see some hul and weapon system variations when it comes to dreads, but I guess they have more pressing issues to work on at the moment.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#11 - 2016-09-23 17:37:03 UTC
Serene Repose
#12 - 2016-09-24 04:54:24 UTC
Why bother CCP with this? I'll give you one myself. I dread the next "expansion." There's you a dread. A good one, too.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-09-24 05:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#14 - 2016-09-24 06:25:31 UTC
The only thing I can see for another missile boat is a Sanshas dread that is basically a HAM Legion idea in a dread hull designed to kill subcaps thats nicely expensive and does **** poor damage to the same class or larger hulls. Moreso than the HAW pheonix for damage application to smaller platforms.

But would it add much to the game? Naw not really but its the only kinda niche thats imo available for any dread out there that hasnt been filled well for a missile platform.

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Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-09-24 19:41:22 UTC
what role would the carry?

the current line of Dreadnoughts is based around capital warfare and structure bashing.

however, there could be a second line of Dreads based around antisubcap warfare. with bonus for HAW weapons.

now in terms of guns the only way i can think of that is:

-Amarr = Armor + Missiles (the only secondary weapon platform for them outside of drones)

-Caldari = Shield + Hybrids (probably an emphasis on railguns)

-Gallente = Armor + Hybrids (cant give drones when we have carriers, it could field a flight of each drone size but still......)

-Minmatar = Shield + Missiles (i think it will become Phoenix 2.0, but again, their secondary is missiles, with drones being a niche pick among their ships. and the Naglfar already covers projectiles)

its hard to not repeat weapons...

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#16 - 2016-09-24 22:18:01 UTC
I, too, would be extremely embarrassed with only one dreadlock

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Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-09-25 02:13:28 UTC
While you're at it, give us another tier of Marauders. Thanks!

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#18 - 2016-09-25 03:21:17 UTC
Silivar Karkun wrote:
what role would the carry?

the current line of Dreadnoughts is based around capital warfare and structure bashing.

however, there could be a second line of Dreads based around antisubcap warfare. with bonus for HAW weapons.

now in terms of guns the only way i can think of that is:

-Amarr = Armor + Missiles (the only secondary weapon platform for them outside of drones)

-Caldari = Shield + Hybrids (probably an emphasis on railguns)

-Gallente = Armor + Hybrids (cant give drones when we have carriers, it could field a flight of each drone size but still......)

-Minmatar = Shield + Missiles (i think it will become Phoenix 2.0, but again, their secondary is missiles, with drones being a niche pick among their ships. and the Naglfar already covers projectiles)

its hard to not repeat weapons...


The amarr like the HAM Legion. Could ironically give best bonuses with Blood raiders style AB fit while NOT in siege. Or use a "shoot and scoot" style AB/MJD/Siege module combo with reduced siege length. Can MJD or AB with increased velocity for 5 mins after siege cycle ends.

Caldari with rail HAW bonus and bonuses kinetic sentries for extreme range. Caldari sentries are most unused sentries and if given range and dps bonus evenly split with HAW weapons with same style bonus would create an interesting dynamic based on typical caldari bonus.

Gallente with light, medium and heavy drone bonus and HAW blaster dps bonus. Adding sentries is a bad idea imo and a return to the sentry heavy doctrine ideas of the past. Make the other drones slower and more fragile but hit harder. Short range web bonus like vindi but way less, perhaps a bonus to the stasis grappler instead.

Minnie with shield, missiles and stasis grappler web range bonus to increase application for missile damage and target painters.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.