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Every year, there are less users playing, why??

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PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#1661 - 2016-09-20 23:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: PopeUrban
Its an old game with a somewhat obtuse learning curve. All MMOs will eventually lose subscribers, but getting those subscribers replaced has become increasingly more difficult as online games went the way of the microtransaction.

Not only that, consider that EVE as a game is just as offputting to a more mainstream MMO audience specifically because of what makes it stand out.

Alpha clones are a start. They're almost specifically geared to make free players give multiple ***** about FW, and having a "faction" is a much more familiar concept to contemporary PvP. I'm not suprised. They also leaned heavily on FW with the DUST integration for the same reason. "My team" versus "their team" is an easy concept to pick up, that lets solo players and small groups still feel like they have an impact on the universe. Spinning those FW players and FW-focused spinoff integrations in to the larger scope of EVE's player alliances is a solid strategy. It makes for a better new player experience when you feel like your NPC faction actually has some power and is vaguely representative of the full scope of play.

On the flip side, for people that DO like freeform empire PvP (which, true or false, is the reputation EVE has and will continue to have because only giant faction battles make headlines outside of the EVE community) are often loath to join a game where all the big alliances are already in place and all the good territory is already claimed.

It's the age old NPE problem. Making "owning space" simpler for less skilled players through stuff like citadels helps contextualize things, but much of the game is still extremely obtuse and doesn't do a good job of displaying all the possibilities to new players.

EVE isn't hard. It doesn't take a genius. It's just complicated and mostly uninterested in explaining the parts of itself that are straightforward and simple. That means its that much harder to replace players when they leave.
Serene Repose
#1662 - 2016-09-22 07:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Computer games used to require intelligence to play. Now anybody, like Jenna or Shae, or any Dirty Forum Alt, can play. This is largely due to game designers giving up entirely on holding the majority's interest and just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. This new "order" of player sees it as...order...which is fine and dandy to the long ago surrendered.

However, just like with Tic Tac Toe, eventually even these run the full spectrum (generous eh?) available. Repetition sets in and boredom soon follows. Bear in mind, we do have those who find staring at blinking yellow lights is entertaining. Yes, we do. Anyway, even logging gets to be mind-numbingly repetitive (thus those who complain about that all the time.)

What's amazing is people will still use forks...wait...nevermind about the silverware thing, and don't feel badly about it as you eat your pizza, or hot wings getting all that dye on your fingers you think is the hot sauce. I've always felt, since this thread was first unrolled, it would have been easier to pretend to be intelligent had the question been in English instead of some contorted form of it. The question might be easier to answer if we all didn't have to be psychic (some to more a degree than others) to interpret it.

I find for instance, there are less heroine users playing since doing heroine and video game addiction seem to conflict with each other. However, I also find alcohol users not only enjoy this game, they like to bellow that they're drunk while they're playing it! You don't see them doing that when they're driving home from bars, now, do yah?

Had EVE changed significantly over the years. Had they not settled for flogging ancient, ill-advised code (for instance) mistaking the trend for future computing being in one direction, rather than another, the list of excuses why the game can't evolve with the rest of reality wouldn't be nearly as long. So, a wider audience (one that isn't a fan of antiques but more current technology) would probably find their ways here and stay a while.

But...you have to accept the fact there aren't a whole lot of people that find paying to be ripped off by under-achieving egotists a bargain. In fact, that's supposed to be (in an advanced capitalist society) a sure sign at the very least that you've made a serious error in judgement when making a purchase. The delusional people who continue to believe such is not the case are the "community" here, so....even asking the question smacks of more than just a tad of...gray cell shortage.

But, yeah, I had to bump this 'cause I read that subject line and I think it's hilarious. Maybe one day this thread will be as huge as the texture pack thread. Lord knows, it has as much "content".

Have a nice day!Big smile

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1663 - 2016-09-22 12:13:59 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Computer games used to require intelligence to play. Now anybody, like Jenna or Shae, or any Dirty Forum Alt, can play. This is largely due to game designers giving up entirely on holding the majority's interest and just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. This new "order" of player sees it as...order...which is fine and dandy to the long ago surrendered.

However, just like with Tic Tac Toe, eventually even these run the full spectrum (generous eh?) available. Repetition sets in and boredom soon follows. Bear in mind, we do have those who find staring at blinking yellow lights is entertaining. Yes, we do. Anyway, even logging gets to be mind-numbingly repetitive (thus those who complain about that all the time.)

What's amazing is people will still use forks...wait...nevermind about the silverware thing, and don't feel badly about it as you eat your pizza, or hot wings getting all that dye on your fingers you think is the hot sauce. I've always felt, since this thread was first unrolled, it would have been easier to pretend to be intelligent had the question been in English instead of some contorted form of it. The question might be easier to answer if we all didn't have to be psychic (some to more a degree than others) to interpret it.

I find for instance, there are less heroine users playing since doing heroine and video game addiction seem to conflict with each other. However, I also find alcohol users not only enjoy this game, they like to bellow that they're drunk while they're playing it! You don't see them doing that when they're driving home from bars, now, do yah?

Had EVE changed significantly over the years. Had they not settled for flogging ancient, ill-advised code (for instance) mistaking the trend for future computing being in one direction, rather than another, the list of excuses why the game can't evolve with the rest of reality wouldn't be nearly as long. So, a wider audience (one that isn't a fan of antiques but more current technology) would probably find their ways here and stay a while.

But...you have to accept the fact there aren't a whole lot of people that find paying to be ripped off by under-achieving egotists a bargain. In fact, that's supposed to be (in an advanced capitalist society) a sure sign at the very least that you've made a serious error in judgement when making a purchase. The delusional people who continue to believe such is not the case are the "community" here, so....even asking the question smacks of more than just a tad of...gray cell shortage.

But, yeah, I had to bump this 'cause I read that subject line and I think it's hilarious. Maybe one day this thread will be as huge as the texture pack thread. Lord knows, it has as much "content".

Have a nice day!Big smile

TL:DR:

Null Sec PvE-ers (Jenn), Industrialists (Shae), and Forum Alts (Hi) are ruining the game!

Also - Old gamers who think that games should require skill, or have consequences for actions - are idiots. Smart people are modern gamers who know that everything should be handed to you on a silver platter, and there should never be any consequences for anything you do. If EVE had gone this direction sooner, everything would have been perfect.

PS: I (Serene) am clearly the smartest person in all the universe because of reasons. Even though all my posts are irrelevant garbage and just complain about the things I (serene) do every single day. Bow down and worship me, otherwise you too will be an idiot!11

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1664 - 2016-09-22 12:55:11 UTC
Sometimes I have a clear feeling this game is stressful as real life under many aspects.

For me it's not a problem at all while I think for many players that want to relax when playing a videogame it can be something serious on the mid-long time.

At the beginning it can be interesting ( or exciting ) to see on Eve you die losing your ships, assets, you can be scammed, tricked and so on.

You die and you need to spend a lot of time to buy another ship, to travel to the place you were, to gain your money back and so on...

On the medium and long time it becomes annoying more and more, until it's frustrating and you ask yourself:

"I've just had a stressful day, at work, at school, now I login to the game to face some more stress?"

And you just don't login, feeling a sense of relief....
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1665 - 2016-09-22 13:08:24 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Computer games used to require intelligence to play. Now anybody, like Jenna or Shae, or any Dirty Forum Alt, can play.

Ah well, then there's always hope that CCP might dumb the game down enough for even you to understand it.

Have a nice day.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#1666 - 2016-09-22 13:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Serene Repose wrote:
Computer games used to require intelligence to play. Now anybody, like Jenna or Shae, or any Dirty Forum Alt, can play. This is largely due to game designers giving up entirely on holding the majority's interest and just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. This new "order" of player sees it as...order...which is fine and dandy to the long ago surrendered.

However, just like with Tic Tac Toe, eventually even these run the full spectrum (generous eh?) available. Repetition sets in and boredom soon follows. Bear in mind, we do have those who find staring at blinking yellow lights is entertaining. Yes, we do. Anyway, even logging gets to be mind-numbingly repetitive (thus those who complain about that all the time.)

What's amazing is people will still use forks...wait...nevermind about the silverware thing, and don't feel badly about it as you eat your pizza, or hot wings getting all that dye on your fingers you think is the hot sauce. I've always felt, since this thread was first unrolled, it would have been easier to pretend to be intelligent had the question been in English instead of some contorted form of it. The question might be easier to answer if we all didn't have to be psychic (some to more a degree than others) to interpret it.

I find for instance, there are less heroine users playing since doing heroine and video game addiction seem to conflict with each other. However, I also find alcohol users not only enjoy this game, they like to bellow that they're drunk while they're playing it! You don't see them doing that when they're driving home from bars, now, do yah?

Had EVE changed significantly over the years. Had they not settled for flogging ancient, ill-advised code (for instance) mistaking the trend for future computing being in one direction, rather than another, the list of excuses why the game can't evolve with the rest of reality wouldn't be nearly as long. So, a wider audience (one that isn't a fan of antiques but more current technology) would probably find their ways here and stay a while.

But...you have to accept the fact there aren't a whole lot of people that find paying to be ripped off by under-achieving egotists a bargain. In fact, that's supposed to be (in an advanced capitalist society) a sure sign at the very least that you've made a serious error in judgement when making a purchase. The delusional people who continue to believe such is not the case are the "community" here, so....even asking the question smacks of more than just a tad of...gray cell shortage.

But, yeah, I had to bump this 'cause I read that subject line and I think it's hilarious. Maybe one day this thread will be as huge as the texture pack thread. Lord knows, it has as much "content".

Have a nice day!Big smile


So wait a minute. EVERY other post you make is about how something in the game is horrible, or CCP is horrible, or the players are horrible,. or basically something is just wrong.

When i post, it's in support of the game, and recommending that people get with the program....


...and yet somehow, in some weird twisted and utterly ******** universe, i'm too dumb to play EVE....the game you are constantly complaining about (while still paying for it).

Brilliant.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1667 - 2016-09-22 16:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Serene Repose wrote:
Computer games used to require intelligence to play. Now anybody, like Jenna or Shae, or any Dirty Forum Alt, can play.
So the people that would like to see computer games go back to requiring a modicum of intelligence to play are the ones that are too dumb to play computer games that require a modicum of intelligence?

Oh boy.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1668 - 2016-09-22 16:17:58 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Sometimes I have a clear feeling this game is stressful as real life under many aspects.

For me it's not a problem at all while I think for many players that want to relax when playing a videogame it can be something serious on the mid-long time.

At the beginning it can be interesting ( or exciting ) to see on Eve you die losing your ships, assets, you can be scammed, tricked and so on.

You die and you need to spend a lot of time to buy another ship, to travel to the place you were, to gain your money back and so on...

On the medium and long time it becomes annoying more and more, until it's frustrating and you ask yourself:

"I've just had a stressful day, at work, at school, now I login to the game to face some more stress?"

And you just don't login, feeling a sense of relief....



Or.....you learn not to be scammed, ganked, or tricked. But hey, I guess that is just nonsense these days.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#1669 - 2016-09-22 16:48:35 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Sometimes I have a clear feeling this game is stressful as real life under many aspects.

For me it's not a problem at all while I think for many players that want to relax when playing a videogame it can be something serious on the mid-long time.

At the beginning it can be interesting ( or exciting ) to see on Eve you die losing your ships, assets, you can be scammed, tricked and so on.

You die and you need to spend a lot of time to buy another ship, to travel to the place you were, to gain your money back and so on...

On the medium and long time it becomes annoying more and more, until it's frustrating and you ask yourself:

"I've just had a stressful day, at work, at school, now I login to the game to face some more stress?"

And you just don't login, feeling a sense of relief....



Or.....you learn not to be scammed, ganked, or tricked. But hey, I guess that is just nonsense these days.
Learning from your mistakes or the mistakes of others is overrated.

CCP should remove all circumstances that may require you to learn something, because everybody knows the key to success is to be handed everything on a plate.

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1670 - 2016-09-22 18:10:11 UTC
I didn't say I want the game to be easier...

...I said often videogames are "relaxing"....Eve is not a relaxing game at all, it's extremely challenging so it's suitable for a little player base...
Serene Repose
#1671 - 2016-09-22 18:42:01 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
Computer games used to require intelligence to play. Now anybody, like Jenna or Shae, or any Dirty Forum Alt, can play. This is largely due to game designers giving up entirely on holding the majority's interest and just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. This new "order" of player sees it as...order...which is fine and dandy to the long ago surrendered.

However, just like with Tic Tac Toe, eventually even these run the full spectrum (generous eh?) available. Repetition sets in and boredom soon follows. Bear in mind, we do have those who find staring at blinking yellow lights is entertaining. Yes, we do. Anyway, even logging gets to be mind-numbingly repetitive (thus those who complain about that all the time.)

What's amazing is people will still use forks...wait...nevermind about the silverware thing, and don't feel badly about it as you eat your pizza, or hot wings getting all that dye on your fingers you think is the hot sauce. I've always felt, since this thread was first unrolled, it would have been easier to pretend to be intelligent had the question been in English instead of some contorted form of it. The question might be easier to answer if we all didn't have to be psychic (some to more a degree than others) to interpret it.

I find for instance, there are less heroine users playing since doing heroine and video game addiction seem to conflict with each other. However, I also find alcohol users not only enjoy this game, they like to bellow that they're drunk while they're playing it! You don't see them doing that when they're driving home from bars, now, do yah?

Had EVE changed significantly over the years. Had they not settled for flogging ancient, ill-advised code (for instance) mistaking the trend for future computing being in one direction, rather than another, the list of excuses why the game can't evolve with the rest of reality wouldn't be nearly as long. So, a wider audience (one that isn't a fan of antiques but more current technology) would probably find their ways here and stay a while.

But...you have to accept the fact there aren't a whole lot of people that find paying to be ripped off by under-achieving egotists a bargain. In fact, that's supposed to be (in an advanced capitalist society) a sure sign at the very least that you've made a serious error in judgement when making a purchase. The delusional people who continue to believe such is not the case are the "community" here, so....even asking the question smacks of more than just a tad of...gray cell shortage.

But, yeah, I had to bump this 'cause I read that subject line and I think it's hilarious. Maybe one day this thread will be as huge as the texture pack thread. Lord knows, it has as much "content".

Have a nice day!Big smile


So wait a minute. EVERY other post you make is about how something in the game is horrible, or CCP is horrible, or the players are horrible,. or basically something is just wrong.

When i post, it's in support of the game, and recommending that people get with the program....


...and yet somehow, in some weird twisted and utterly ******** universe, i'm too dumb to play EVE....the game you are constantly complaining about (while still paying for it).

Brilliant.
LOL. Hooked every damn one of you. "Blah blah blah blah blah."

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1672 - 2016-09-22 18:44:29 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
LOL. Hooked every damn one of you. "Blah blah blah blah blah."

And now have explicitly admitted that you are nothing but a troll.

You even used a fishing analogy to literally just say it...

Yay you?

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Serene Repose
#1673 - 2016-09-22 18:49:30 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
LOL. Hooked every damn one of you. "Blah blah blah blah blah."

And now have explicitly admitted that you are nothing but a troll.

You even used a fishing analogy to literally just say it...

Yay you?
I'll never hyper-troll like you. It's a talent, I guess. The great deception is that your walls of text merit the time and effort to consume....however, if it didn't matter to you, you'd never bother...you just have to respond though, don't you?

Who's trolling this forum? ad nausuem?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1674 - 2016-09-22 18:52:42 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
LOL. Hooked every damn one of you. "Blah blah blah blah blah."

And now have explicitly admitted that you are nothing but a troll.

You even used a fishing analogy to literally just say it...

Yay you?
I'll never hyper-troll like you. It's a talent, I guess. The great deception is that your walls of text merit the time and effort to consume....however, if it didn't matter to you, you'd never bother...you just have to respond though, don't you?

Who's trolling this forum? ad nausuem?

I could list about a dozen - I'm probably on the list yes - but so are you.

See, I've never really said you were wrong about me. I am an armchair philosopher, and sure, sometimes I'm wrong. Maybe its not worth reading my walls of text - if you don't find the subject matter interesting. I can agree with that.

But what *you* can't stand is that I point out *you* doing the *exact same thing*.

The main reason I'm better than you? I'm not in denial about what I am or what I post. I think you've literally convinced yourself you are somehow different, or immune to your own standards of judging posts... And honestly that is just sad.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Serene Repose
#1675 - 2016-09-22 20:52:16 UTC
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
I'll never hyper-troll like you. It's a talent, I guess. The great deception is that your walls of text merit the time and effort to consume....however, if it didn't matter to you, you'd never bother...you just have to respond though, don't you?

Who's trolling this forum? ad nausuem?
I could list about a dozen - I'm probably on the list yes - but so are you.
I'm sorry. I don't troll this forum. I have a great deal of respect for it, and had you been around as long as you pretend you have, you'd be aware of this, as are a great many people who don't actively engage in discourse here anymore as it invites a bandwidth busting barrage from a handful of people here who are more than happy to totally derail any thread into a nonsensical, digital chest-beating contest. I take you to task for your disrespect of this venue and its users, you respond only as you know how. Rocket science.

Jenn aSide wrote:
So wait a minute. EVERY other post you make is about how something in the game is horrible, or CCP is horrible, or the players are horrible,. or basically something is just wrong.
When i post, it's in support of the game, and recommending that people get with the program....
...and yet somehow, in some weird twisted and utterly ******** universe, i'm too dumb to play EVE....the game you are constantly complaining about (while still paying for it).
Brilliant.
No. You wait. Any objective reader knows well I rant and rave about 99.5% of the game NOT being played as it's been taken over by the likes who only bother with .5% of what's possible. I always have and always WILL. YOU, however, want the impression to be "Serene hates the game - disregard Serene." I suspect that's because you ARE one of those rapt with just .5% of the game, and feel threatened with the idea your LITTLE corner be considered what it actually is - LITTLE.

It's a time-honored trolling method, as well. You two are EVE GD's greatest trolls. Sorry Shae, you come in a sorry third.

You may now respond with your usual digital bilge.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1676 - 2016-09-22 21:14:16 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
I'm sorry. I don't troll this forum. I have a great deal of respect for it, and had you been around as long as you pretend you have, you'd be aware of this, as are a great many people who don't actively engage in discourse here anymore as it invites a bandwidth busting barrage from a handful of people here who are more than happy to totally derail any thread into a nonsensical, digital chest-beating contest. I take you to task for your disrespect of this venue and its users, you respond only as you know how. Rocket science.

I've played EVE for 8 years. I've only been active on the forum as long as DFA has existed. I believe I've explicitly stated as much, and I thought it was obvious even to you...

In the time I've been here, 99% of the posts I've seen you put up, in any thread, on any subject, are clearly trolling. You enjoy writing long walls of text pretending you are smart or know what you are talking about, while clearly pulling everything you are saying straight out of your @** and never providing anything to back any of your wild claims up. You also like to bring up real-world political issues as if they are the root cause of evils within the game.

When not posting walls of text full of hot air and Bull-****, you write walls of text complaining about people who write walls of text full of Bull-****... I don't know why you hate yourself. Maybe you should seek help...

You are literally *nothing* but a troll.

At least most of my posts are on-topic, and I provide citations/references for claims that I make. You can disagree with what I'm saying - and sometimes I'm wrong - but it isn't just straight up trolling like your posts.


I don't know what you *used* to post years ago when "other people" were here - and I don't give a ****. The fact is that all you post now is troll post after troll post. You are *currently* nothing but a troll. And a bad one at that - since most of your troll posts aren't even interesting to read.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1677 - 2016-09-22 21:15:15 UTC
Also I see I made your bio - albeit in edited form. I assume that means I'm #1.

So yay, I won the EVE Forums!

\o/

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#1678 - 2016-09-22 21:19:42 UTC
Oh, and as for Jenn aSide and Shae... I wouldn't actually consider either one to be a troll.

They certainly have an abrasive posting style sometimes that can rub people the wrong way, as well as deep-seated cases of Bittervet Syndrome - but their posts tend to be pretty simple and direct, and consist solely of their honest feelings/opinions/facts relating to whatever subject they are posting about. You can certainly disagree with them - but you can't say they are trolling. They are participating in the discussions bluntly, honestly, and almost universally on-topic.

I'm afraid You and I are the only ones here who make the troll list Serene. Though I'm pretty sure objectively measured you rank higher than even I do. Your list here is just of people you dislike because they call you on your blatant trolling and bull-****. Pretending anything else is ridiculous - and nobody is buying it.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1679 - 2016-09-23 02:29:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Serene Repose wrote:
I'll never hyper-troll like you. It's a talent, I guess. The great deception is that your walls of text merit the time and effort to consume....however, if it didn't matter to you, you'd never bother...you just have to respond though, don't you?

Trolling is certainly a talent, expressed through good writing.

As Bill Wheeler expressed so well; good writing is clear thinking made visible.

I doubt clear thinking is a quality many associate with your posts, resulting in a conclusion even you can grasp.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#1680 - 2016-09-23 02:40:19 UTC
Claws are coming out now..

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.