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I get the time sink factor....its just its looking like CCP painted themselves in a corner here. A prior change is not making as much sense now.

Its me getting hung on the passives lol....they made the pain of leadership trains tolerable imo. Passives gone, now they are time killers with no good reason in at least 2 out of 4 cases for a potential CS booster. I like to make lemons into lemonades...not getting that here with passive removal.

Caveat I am thinking is you get the CS skill with just 2 leaderships. The ones a race would boost. Problem is complexity of having the game recognize player A can fly NH and wouldn't need the say armour. Or the armour booster not having shields but rest. Complex but not impossible. Its requirements just have a bit if then else code tacked on.

If siege and info 5
then CS okay
else if siege and skirmish
then CS okay
etc....

A related concern is I actually want CS as booster to be viable. Been an issue for years. CCP seems to be aware but changes just cement T3's spot as preferred booster. easier CS may be the lesser of 2 evils. yes its more CS on the field since easier to get combat wise. Evil 1 here.

Other evil as I see it its just spam t3 booster even more and CS as booster gets ignored even more.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face a phrase that comes to mind here. And I am usually I walked up the hill for 3 miles in snow with no shoes to school so the youngins can too grumpy old bitter. In this case...not going that route.

T3 is just looking good, if not better in this change. Can't find the exact boosts but iirc CS just gets just mere % increase over t3. CCP tried this in CS rebalance...it didn't work. T3 bonused less and people didn't trade in their boost tengu's for NH's post change. No real reason too. Its the side stuff of t3 and t3 boosts let you pick and choose 1 by 1...or just the 1.

Way I read these changes, this not helping. Range or duration is what these skills give. a few seconds more or a few km's more....t3 is still looking better for the ease of train really. Oh no... I only burst 35 kms and not 38, emo rage quit over this right now as t3 boosts are now crap. Not happening as I can see it. I won't sweat a few km's. Many won't.

Yeah I know. Just looking for angles to change that. More I think about, more I know the outcome. Which is fine...I like t3. Just be nice if it wasn't the only viable option.

Like 2 rigs for t2 and 3 for t3 would be the other nail on the coffin. And I don't see this new +1 rig being more than 200 calibration (so many t3 fits as is will just be pull 1 rig if needed). It hurt CS if so. With booster on grid...t3 having 3 slots another why bother with boost running CS really I predict (shooty or tanky rig options among others limited on CS). Is this being looked at CCP? (knows what asking will get me but oh well).

Maybe they have some ace up the sleeve for this. Not betting the farm on it.

Just for those who haven't seen this yet.......


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=493696&find=unread

nice -.- so mining with maximum boost (the only proper way of mining) will only be something for the big alliances then...

i mean, you could get two citadels to save a few billions on the rigs, but otherwise you'll need to invest more than 50 billion just to keep mining :D

wp CCP

dude... try in mine in a venture without boosts :D you'd be happy to make 1 million isk per hour. you clearly dont know what you are talking about .

+ where did you see the price for those platforms? i did not see any on the market... and until i see them i wont believe that they are cheap.

so thats 40 billion for the fleet/cita/drilling platform than :D

I bet there is noone who makes money while mining without boosts. Give me an example of how to make 40 million an hour (easyly made while ratting in a cruiser) without boosts.

yeah sure, you just want to pay 500€ a month to shoot rocks. get it. you are stupid

If you want to be as competitive as other methods then you have to put the effort in.

Again, you don't understand the concept of economics. If mining because easy or "standardised" for everyone as you want it to be, you would not get more ISK per unit of effort you put into the game, so literally your ideas will do nothing.

Isn't your entire argument predicated on the idea of shooting rocks for several hours so you can buy the item that gives you more time to shoot rocks? How can you even attempt anything resembling an intellectual high ground over someone who actually plays the game to enjoy it, as is the intent of the game?

One might note that there are two Command Ships for each race. There's space for a "tanky" minmatar and a "fast" amarr CS.