Intergalactic Summit

Since you asked, I'll indulge. Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to give the exact numbers much as if I asked you to recall how many times you've eaten your favourite meal you'll never come up with a definitive answer. But what I do have are the known numbers of the site, the completion time and a rough average of hour long I'd do the given activity for.

I would usually run Forsaken Hubs (remember the 39 as a MINIMUM number) for about 2 hours every evening of the weekdays to bank some money.

The method I used allowed me to complete the sites within about 10 minutes, so 6 of these outposts destroyed every hour. Let's call it 5 to round things out for the odd mistake or having to hide for a few minutes from wandering patrols. 10 hours over the course of the weekday.

5 x 39 = 195 per hour

195 x 10 hours of the week = 1,950

So that's 1,950 baseliner vessels on average destroyed.

Weekends I would average about 3 hours per day, sometimes a lot more if nothing better was going on, sometimes a lot less. But we'll try and stick with the average of 3 which is a perfectly reasonable number if you ask most Capsuleers who live in nullsec.

195 x 3 = 585 per day

585 x 2 = 1170 over the weekend

In total:

1170 + 1950 = 3,120 per week total.

There's 52 weeks of a year, so:

3,120 x 52 = 162, 240 per year

162. 240 Sansha destroyed on some fairly light clearing compared to a lot of Capsuleers in Providence. I personally know someone who'd laugh at that amount, but I preffered killing Gurrista instead. Still, seems it's pretty easy to hit hundreds of thousands for what some of my peers consider a 'light' runner.

During my tenure in the north of Nullsec under Goonswarm Federation, time spent clearing the more profitable Gurrista sites was a lot higher as there was a lot less going on. The space was kept a bit clearer compared to Providence and we had a habit of being actively on communication networks while we went about our business. I'd easily average 6-7 hours a day on the weekends just making money, so hundreds of thousands of Gurrista is a pretty accurate statement. Corporation tax off of our activities alone managed to fund a large chunk of the corporation's titan.

On to Factional Warfare and I can tell you with an average count of about 10 missions an hour, killing between 1-7 targets in each, you'd come away with about 10-30 kills, hard to put this one down accurately as the missions varied. Let's call it 15 Minmatar or Federation vessels destroyed in an hour to be safe. Two hours a day.

15 x 2 = 30

30 x 7 = 210 a week.

Hmm, getting near that 'thousands' figure I came up with off the cuff already after only a month of active target running. It's almost like I instinctively knew the amount of blood on my hands.

Mr Ronin, I'm rather aware of the daemons that cloud my mind, but you continue to avoid my point about the daemons of yours.

How, exactly, do you think that adding 100 kills a day per one of your pilots is going to contribute to anything? It's been over 15 years of this level of destruction. How many more years do you think it'll take before the Empire collapses?

I like specifics.

When you are done avoiding the question I've asked in one form or another three times now, I'll be waiting.

Also, for someone who's claimed to have experienced living in Nullsec under CTA's, you're about as dead weight to an alliance as the last time I pointed it out. Now stop pussyfooting around and defend your illogical claim from your original post.

Because you have only been a licensed capsuleer pilot for three years I can understand if you only have a short term perspective on a struggle for justice and freedom against an oppressive evil that has afflicted humanity for centuries.

If the low impact damage we inflict on the cultists took another fifty years to accomplish our goals it would be far better to do it in lieu of doing nothing. Time is like math, it is not subject to prejudice.

Unlike you, when I faced the sickening specter of what the killing represents, I didn't quit, I instead wanted to make sure the pieces of my humanity that are sheared away with every kill are for a worthy cause.

Perhaps you kill for isk, or just for fun, I only do it because I have to, to have any chance to end the horror of the centuries of blight caused by the slavery cultists.

#1 It is not required nor did I ever state I gave bounties to charities.

#2 If you gave bounties to charities and saved the receipts to show others I would question the sincerity of your giving.

#3 Charitable giving might be a standard you measure by but by no means does that make it a valid indicator of anything to do with this thread.


#4 and most importantly .... SHIPS "Stupid Humans In Puny Ships"
lol not as good as yours, but not entirely bad either.

You know, having been a license capsuleer for a whopping five years yourself, you're really not in a position to act like the One True Knower of Age and Experience. I've got as much time on you as you have on Utari, and I fly with folks who've got us both beat combined. The bottom line is: you don't have to be at this an unfathomable amount of time to be able to do basic math.

What you are doing is not ignoble, it is not shameful, it is not something to be scorned. That said, it is less than a drop in the bucket of what is out there, and how many ships the Empires and the Pirate groups have to throw at getting what they want. Your band's been killing a hundred ships a day, each, right? There's what? 30 of you? So 3000 ships a day?

1/10th of the number of Blood Raiders destroyed in one system?

The Blood Raiders are not as numerous as the Amarr. They lose 100,000 ships a day, easily, and these losses do not seem to bother them. You look ahead to 50 years and imagine the collapse of the slaving raids... in 50 years, the children of the slavers you kill now will have grown, had children of their own, and those children will be slaving and raising another generation of slavers. You will not kill them all. Do not imagine that you will. Do not imagine that you will make it prohibitively expensive, either.

Instead, just know that those slavers will not take their prizes, and that there are people who are free because of what you have done. You are no less right to be proud of your pilots than Alizabeth has been to be proud of hers. But have no illusions about what you do, or how effective it will be. Grandiose claims ring hollow to the ears of those who have seen the hordes you seem to think will ever end, and illusions of great success only breed ego, and lead you astray.



Well, you kind of implied that by not killing for ISK, you weren't accepting ISK for your kills, either.

Well it was not my intention. Grandiose claims, really??? Coming from a goon that is indeed funny, because your stock and trade is inflated claims and unrealistic versions of events. Cluster wide scam equals goon. Nothing personal it is just what your brand is.

Sometimes when people talk about big concepts and big ideas and include themselves other people assume it is to enlarge the role of the speaker. In my case I am quite happy to be a small operator who is at least trying. If everyone did a little to help the results would be massive. That is what I am a proponent of, trying to help, trying to work/fight for solutions and not ever accepting a status quo where humans can be enslaved by the cultists or the cyborg (not that a capsuleer should put too fine a point on that) sansha and people say ho hum just another day in New Eden.

Imagine/remember the trillions over the centuries that lived, suffered, and died under the yoke of slavery cultists.

Centuries and generations.

That is the Matari reality, and perhaps you can now appreciate the quiet horror that resides in all of us, and maybe just respect a little bit, our unbreakable will to never give up the fight.

Not ever!

Speaking of the Butcher's Bill, a freedom loving Civrie wrote this a while back:

Life is hard ... and then you die!

Born Caldari or Minmatar, or Gallente, or of the cursed Amarr,
We all hurl our frail bodies into the frigid black void,
Encased in pods of metal filled with fluids,
Sheathed inside vessels that traverse the emptiness between stars
We fight and kill to pay our bill
To the butcher never satiated
I hoist my glass and give a salute
To all those brave enough to fly and shoot!

Life is hard ... and then you die!
For those who venture beyond the sky
Into the void were laws mean little
We make our living among the dying
In the depths of space
We elude the finality of death's embrace
Capsuleer a word you'd do well to learn to fear!
I might not be the one who kills you but I'll certainly try
Life is hard ... and then you die.
SynthesisX, Pilot Poet Capsuleer

The horrifying part for me, at least, is that there's that many of these madmen that we could kill 12,000,000,000 of them in the next year and they wouldn't notice.

Ms. Vess?

The numbers here have nothing at all to do with the faction being fought for (unless you object to people hunting pirate fleets). Ships belonging to any empire are a tiny percentage of what we're talking about. It's mostly the outer powers-- the Covenant, the Nation (Arrendis's numbers and Utari's, respectively). The Empire could free every slave it holds and make peace with the Republic, and that number probably wouldn't decrease much, if at all.

This could be described in terms of progress made, and certainly CONCORD's bounties seem to suggest that they do think of it that way, but-- the scale....