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Death By A Million Cuts
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Matar Ronin
#1 - 2016-09-20 17:01:15 UTC
For the last year Drake Ashigaru Alliance has been involved in a non-government pilot project within the boundaries of the Minmatar Republic.

Drake Ashigaru capsuleer pilots on patrol seek out and destroy all criminally flagged enemies of the Republic that show up within it's borders, capsuleer or base liner.

The project had a few simple initial goals, find out how prevalent these criminals intruded upon Republic space, elimination of mortal pilots that would/could not respawn to return the field of battle, and to deny the slavery cult and their vassals of whatever material or recon these intruders were seeking.

While many capsuleers enjoy fighting among themselves over and over, the destruction of a base line ship and the capture of it's criminally flagged crew who survived eliminated them permanently from the field of combat.

This is a resource it takes years for the slavery cult and their vassals to replenish. We in Drake Ashigaru believe the wars will not be resolved by actions between capsuleers alone.

Every ship that sets out and does not return weakens the slavery cultists and their vassals, the "Death By A Million Cuts" has begun, we have the patience to see it to it's conclusion.

We want to congratulate our top pilots who have averaged over 100 ship kills a day, well done! The roams that pilots loosely affiliated with Drake Ashigaru fly with us have increased the kill rate significantly and are scheduled weekly, it helps to increase our footprint beyond our meager numbers.

In our first year of operation as time progressed, our numbers swelled, and our Patrol Roams covered more systems. Watch this space for updates.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2016-09-20 17:57:57 UTC
I'm going to go ahead and assume the baseline tally of those 100 kills per pilot/day is, like, FAR to the north of 90 percent.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#3 - 2016-09-20 18:16:54 UTC
Saw title, author, grew optimistic. Realized author was not requesting listed service. Left disappointed.
Matar Ronin
#4 - 2016-09-20 18:30:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and assume the baseline tally of those 100 kills per pilot/day is, like, FAR to the north of 90 percent.
Fortunately due to previous arrangements we are able to repatriate the non-cultists pilots and crews with the understanding that they will not return to combat operations who survived and had time to man lifeboats. With non-cultists we seek to not alpha strike to give as many as possible a chance to get off of stricken ships safely.

It is important to know who the real enemy is.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2016-09-20 18:34:07 UTC
Let me get this straight.

You're celebrating going out on roams and destroying baseline ships in the hundreds. Mr Ronin, I've destroyed baseline ships for the Minmatar republic and the Federation in the thousands, and Gurrista and Sansha vessels likely in the hundreds of thousands (I'm sure a few can even count in the millions).

In that time I have learned one thing, that you're seriously under appreciating just how easily those ships are replaced. I mean, if one pilot in a three year career can easily achieve a million or two baseline ships (SHIPS) destroyed, multiply that by a very conservative 400,000 and you reach staggering numbers. Staggering.

Mr Ronin, you seem to enjoy tooting your horn a lot, but I'm afraid to say that if you do the mathematics your actions are barely a drop in the ocean, and merely adds to a vicious economy of destruction on a level I don't think you can even comprehend. I've stopped flying to try and do something more productive with myself, simply because I've come to realise being a capsuleer is just a licence to print ISK off of a planet's population of corpses (and possibly a planet's worth of resources to build the vessels)

400,000 potential planet's worth of men and material I'd conservatively estimate to have been lost collectively during the short existence of the Capsuleer. Against that I'm not sure you can claim any sort of success.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Matar Ronin
#6 - 2016-09-20 18:36:54 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Saw title, author, grew optimistic. Realized author was not requesting listed service. Left disappointed.
Sadly for you trolling is not lethal, if it were you'd be a Doomsday device.

That not being the case you are just an IGS version of a buzzing gnat that has no were else to be with nothing better to do.

Glad I can give your existence some meaning.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#7 - 2016-09-20 18:40:25 UTC
No, no, not really. You're giving me very little meaning beyond a half hour's mild entertainment educating you on the economy of violence. The problem here is, I have rather definitively demonstrated you are unable to comprehend the level of destruction wrought out all around you, including to your own Republic on a scale that vastly outdoes yours, and that you fail to see how no Empire or pirate organisation seems to be suffering from it in the decade and a half the Capsuleer has been around.

To be honest, I actually feel pity for you.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Matar Ronin
#8 - 2016-09-20 18:44:15 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Let me get this straight.

You're celebrating going out on roams and destroying baseline ships in the hundreds. Mr Ronin, I've destroyed baseline ships for the Minmatar republic and the Federation in the thousands, and Gurrista and Sansha vessels likely in the hundreds of thousands (I'm sure a few can even count in the millions).

In that time I have learned one thing, that you're seriously under appreciating just how easily those ships are replaced. I mean, if one pilot in a three year career can easily achieve a million or two baseline ships (SHIPS) destroyed, multiply that by a very conservative 400,000 and you reach staggering numbers. Staggering.

Mr Ronin, you seem to enjoy tooting your horn a lot, but I'm afraid to say that if you do the mathematics your actions are barely a drop in the ocean, and merely adds to a vicious economy of destruction on a level I don't think you can even comprehend. I've stopped flying to try and do something more productive with myself, simply because I've come to realise being a capsuleer is just a licence to print ISK off of a planet's population of corpses (and possibly a planet's worth of resources to build the vessels)

400,000 potential planet's worth of men and material I'd conservatively estimate to have been lost collectively during the short existence of the Capsuleer. Against that I'm not sure you can claim any sort of success.
Seems like you get pleasure from horn tooting Pilot Onzo, because you could not resist posting your accomplishments against base line ships.

But as is par for the course when dealing with your ilk, it is okay when you do it, but not when someone else does.

The hypocrisy is outlandish.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2016-09-20 18:44:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Utari Onzo wrote:
No, no, not really. You're giving me very little meaning beyond a half hour's mild entertainment educating you on the economy of violence. The problem here is, I have rather definitively demonstrated you are unable to comprehend the level of destruction wrought out all around you, including to your own Republic on a scale that vastly outdoes yours, and that you fail to see how no Empire or pirate organisation seems to be suffering from it in the decade and a half the Capsuleer has been around.

To be honest, I actually feel pity for you.


I think your numbers might be just a little high, Utari (a million ships over three years? Maybe, but-- I think I'd go cross-eyed with boredom, which is an awful thing to say about a series of massacres, but, it's still kind of true), but-- it's definitely true that we don't actually seem to be depopulating the cluster or anything.


Edited to add:

Matar Ronin wrote:
Seems like you get pleasure from horn tooting Pilot Onzo, because you could not resist posting your accomplishments against base line ships.

But as is par for the course when dealing with your ilk, it is okay when you do it, but not when someone else does.

The hypocrisy is outlandish.


Knowing Utari, this is more self-not-excluded critique than boast, Mr. Ronin.

Basically, killing lots of people (of whatever sort) for us is, um.

Tuesday. (Also Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, both days of the weekend, and probably Monday, for a fair few of us.)
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#10 - 2016-09-20 18:56:45 UTC
Mr Ronin in your reply after reply filled with direct attacks on me, you still continue to avoid the points that I make and try to refute them. You have not stood up for your position once, demonstrating the superiority or virtue of your actions. You've come up with neither achievable goal or thought out plan.

Frankly, I could care less about you, or how you feel about me, but I do care about influence. I care that there's a lot of pilots out there trumpeting a small amount of violence as being the one and only path to success in a sea of destruction. A sea I'm sick of swimming in.

Also, Aria, you talk about boredom but I know a large number of Capsuleers go on contract missions, or clear pirate outposts, on an hourly basis specifically for the entertainment. I sometimes feel they even outnumber those of us who choose to hunt other Capsuleers.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Matar Ronin
#11 - 2016-09-20 19:03:36 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Let me get this straight.

You're celebrating going out on roams and destroying baseline ships in the hundreds. Mr Ronin, I've destroyed baseline ships for the Minmatar republic and the Federation in the thousands, and Gurrista and Sansha vessels likely in the hundreds of thousands (I'm sure a few can even count in the millions).

In that time I have learned one thing, that you're seriously under appreciating just how easily those ships are replaced. I mean, if one pilot in a three year career can easily achieve a million or two baseline ships (SHIPS) destroyed, multiply that by a very conservative 400,000 and you reach staggering numbers. Staggering.

Mr Ronin, you seem to enjoy tooting your horn a lot, but I'm afraid to say that if you do the mathematics your actions are barely a drop in the ocean, and merely adds to a vicious economy of destruction on a level I don't think you can even comprehend. I've stopped flying to try and do something more productive with myself, simply because I've come to realise being a capsuleer is just a licence to print ISK off of a planet's population of corpses (and possibly a planet's worth of resources to build the vessels)

400,000 potential planet's worth of men and material I'd conservatively estimate to have been lost collectively during the short existence of the Capsuleer. Against that I'm not sure you can claim any sort of success.
You have been a licensed capsuleer pilot, if I round up, for four years. Four years equals 1460 days. To reach just one hundred thousand kills you'd have to kill 68.5 ships a day, every day.

Want to realistically re-toot your horn?

Or perhaps talk about how "I" can't comprehend the numbers involved?

Good thing math is not subject to prejudice.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#12 - 2016-09-20 19:04:19 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
SHIPS


This needs to be an acronym, like SKINs... 'Shiny Hulls In [something] Space' maybe?

Quote:
I don't think you can even comprehend


Could've stopped there, Utari, the rest of it's just overkill.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#13 - 2016-09-20 19:16:19 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
]You have been a licensed capsuleer pilot, if I round up, for four years. Four years equals 1460 days. To reach just one hundred thousand kills you'd have to kill 68.5 ships a day, every day.


68.5 ships.

In the last 24 hrs. in Y-OMTZ in Delve, there have been perhaps 50 pilots actively hunting Blood Raiders. There have been others mining, but the total number is under 75.

I want you to take a moment to look at this heat-map of Delve. Y-OMTZ, at the time of this writing, is at 31,878 Blood Raider vessels—all of them baseliners—destroyed in the last 24 hours. That, over 50 combat pilots, averages out to just over 637 ships per pilot.

Those pilots will do that every day. Utari is not wrong when he says 'hundreds of thousands' perhaps even 'millions'. While I understand that 100 ships per pilot per day may seem like a lot to a small group, he is not simply 'tooting his horn' when he tells you those losses will not even be noticed by the Empire and pirate organizations that send them. The amount of bloodshed they are willing to endure is staggering. Nor is he being boastful when he says that we are, by and large, simply the most efficient agents of death humanity has ever seen.

And for the record, Utari, I hope whatever it is you're doing now provides some measure of the peace that eluded you in the dealing of death.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#14 - 2016-09-20 19:16:39 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
SHIPS
This needs to be an acronym, like SKINs... 'Shiny Hulls In [something] Space' maybe?


Shiny Hulls, In Pieces Soon

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Arrendis
TK Corp
#15 - 2016-09-20 19:18:51 UTC
Ohh, that's good. I like that.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2016-09-20 19:19:50 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Let me get this straight.

You're celebrating going out on roams and destroying baseline ships in the hundreds. Mr Ronin, I've destroyed baseline ships for the Minmatar republic and the Federation in the thousands, and Gurrista and Sansha vessels likely in the hundreds of thousands (I'm sure a few can even count in the millions).

In that time I have learned one thing, that you're seriously under appreciating just how easily those ships are replaced. I mean, if one pilot in a three year career can easily achieve a million or two baseline ships (SHIPS) destroyed, multiply that by a very conservative 400,000 and you reach staggering numbers. Staggering.

Mr Ronin, you seem to enjoy tooting your horn a lot, but I'm afraid to say that if you do the mathematics your actions are barely a drop in the ocean, and merely adds to a vicious economy of destruction on a level I don't think you can even comprehend. I've stopped flying to try and do something more productive with myself, simply because I've come to realise being a capsuleer is just a licence to print ISK off of a planet's population of corpses (and possibly a planet's worth of resources to build the vessels)

400,000 potential planet's worth of men and material I'd conservatively estimate to have been lost collectively during the short existence of the Capsuleer. Against that I'm not sure you can claim any sort of success.
You have been a licensed capsuleer pilot, if I round up, for four years. Four years equals 1460 days. To reach just one hundred thousand kills you'd have to kill 68.5 ships a day, every day.

Want to realistically re-toot your horn?

Or perhaps talk about how "I" can't comprehend the numbers involved?

Good thing math is not subject to prejudice.


The average Forsaken Hub, a popular outpost for Capsuleers to run, is guarded by an approximate of 39 individual ships on the lower estimate, not including so called additional spawns. It takes approximately 15-20 minutes to run with a fairly cheaply fitted Vexor Navy Issue vessel, meaning you can kill 117 baseline ships in an hour.

So, averaging 2 hours a day you'd destroy atleast 234 vessel, not including any additional reinforcement ships. Over a week period that is 1,638 ships on a 7 day week of 2 hours of 'work' each day. Over a year that is 85,176 vessels. And this is considered, frankly, a really poor turn out if you're trying to make a good living off of it. On a given weekend one could be spending easily upwards of 3-4 hours or more, and this is running one of these outpost sites, destroying pirate forces, in the lowest bidder vessel (also known as Away From Console-ing it for a reason). It's the lowest tier of minimum wage earning for a Capsuleer and in one year you're nearly hitting that 100,000 mark you've set.

Indeed, mathematics is not subject to prejudice.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Matar Ronin
#17 - 2016-09-20 19:21:37 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Mr Ronin in your reply after reply filled with direct attacks on me, you still continue to avoid the points that I make and try to refute them. You have not stood up for your position once, demonstrating the superiority or virtue of your actions. You've come up with neither achievable goal or thought out plan.

Frankly, I could care less about you, or how you feel about me, but I do care about influence. I care that there's a lot of pilots out there trumpeting a small amount of violence as being the one and only path to success in a sea of destruction. A sea I'm sick of swimming in.

Also, Aria, you talk about boredom but I know a large number of Capsuleers go on contract missions, or clear pirate outposts, on an hourly basis specifically for the entertainment. I sometimes feel they even outnumber those of us who choose to hunt other Capsuleers.
Pilot Onzo it is entertaining to read your inflated numbers dripping with unearned bravado, but lies so transparently obvious need not be refuted.

Now when you wish to enter into a conversation that reflects your actual accomplishments and not your off the cuff guess it will be easier to have a basis for communication.

Or perhaps you can explain how you reached "hundreds of thousands" of kills in your brief tenure as a licensed capsuleer pilot.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#18 - 2016-09-20 19:23:35 UTC
Nice side step there Mr Ronin, but you already set the tone by detailing that you were aiming for baseliner kills. If you want to talk about Capsuleer on Capsuleer kills, that's different.

If you want to have the secret of my money earning technique destroying Sansha, I'll tell you it involved smartbombs and a Paladin for free. For the rest you'll have to pay.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Matar Ronin
#19 - 2016-09-20 19:29:36 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Nice side step there Mr Ronin, but you already set the tone by detailing that you were aiming for baseliner kills. If you want to talk about Capsuleer on Capsuleer kills, that's different.

If you want to have the secret of my money earning technique destroying Sansha, I'll tell you it involved smartbombs and a Paladin for free. For the rest you'll have to pay.
So for the public record, just how many base line ships did you kill per hour, per day, per week, per month, per year to get to your unspecified "hundreds of thousands" of kills?

I like specifics.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#20 - 2016-09-20 19:30:59 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
It takes approximately 15-20 minutes to run with a fairly cheaply fitted Vexor Navy Issue vessel, meaning you can kill 117 baseline ships in an hour.


Theta Squad's taken to using supercarriers for pirate-hunting. The reports I've seen say it takes longer to warp to a Sanctum or Haven than it does to clear it out.

Incidentally, Ronin, those numbers I gave you work out to over 232,000 baseliner ships in a year, and given more discretionary time on the weekends for many pilots, a quarter million a year isn't at all out of reach.
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