Ships & Modules

This strikes me as something that a lot of posts may have been made about but I cant see any.

The T3D's are obviously op no one really disputes that. They have made assault frigates practically irrelevant and for some one like me who lives in a wormhole they make rouge frigate holes a serious threat far greater than I think they where supposed to be.

While the ships them selves are op one thing that contributes to it is there unhindered use.
What I mean by that is that when you loose a T3C you loose a level on a subsystem making you ether wait for the sub to train up again or your next ship will be less effective (unless you have spare cash for an injector).

So what I suggest is the addition of 3 skill books per race for the T3D's each one related to one of the 3 modes.
While this wont solve the base problem of them being op but it will prevent there constant use as you wont be able to instantly reship without being at a disadvantage as I believe the biggest problem with them is there constant use why fly an assault frig gang when you can use these and then instantly reship if you die.

While as I said this wont solve the base problem I believe it will reduce their use slightly and bring in more of a kick for getting one blown up and then I believe balance may be a tad easier from there.

Anyway what do you guys think? Good? Bad? And why? Try not to just say that its a horrible idea as I would much rather hear why its a horrible idea.

Ah.....I thought the ships&modules was the best place. What should I have posted this in?

I like that. That is very logical and I also see where your coming from with the skills though I do think T3D's are a little to easy to train into.

Svipul could use a bit more grid.

Is that due to bad game design or flawed conception?

Malcanis covered flaw concept. Some are bad design.

Jag by design is the arty boat wolf the ac boat. In practice its the other way around. Wolf has the better specs for arty oddly enough. Even odder is if you accept your tank will be CDFE, a resists rig and DCU only...you actually can live with that since it can be a decent setup and you live and die by tank by range. Also resolved the funky 2 mid slot setup....prop and lr point, now it made sense. TBH I and others have asked ccp to switch the bonuses around here and we'd be more content lol.

Caldari....why fly their t2. Unless a small rail sock sniffer there's the mordu option. get that range (on tackle too), get that speed.....yeah, just bear a bit more to make that money and be happier.

Or worm to be honest if you have good drone skills. Good drone and missiles...have a ball really.

Like I said....CCP has put some nice fixes for frigs out there, just not on af's.


Do like malcanis' idea for alphas role bonus. It be a unique bonus since its safe to say ccp won't overturn the killed AB bonus they killed on sisi many year ago. They missed the boat with the MWD bonus. As, well, many ran these AB for years anyway. It wasn't the sig bloom of the MWD, it was lol fooled you, MWD scram hit doesn't work on me effect.

AF scram immunity sounds interesting. I agree with Jag ac turret falloff bonus as well.
Lower build cost is also an interesting idea.

Tech II ships on free accounts, I'm not sure, but could be interesting.

I'd like to see a reduced subscription clone like maybe 2.50 a month and get basic racial T2 Frigate capability and maybe all race Alpha capability.

Probably flawed conception compared to the overarching meta/design of eve and ship ballance by size.
Frigates stay alive through speed and agility. The main problem with assault frigates is they have reduced apeed and agility vs thier t1 counterparts. Once you remove the speed and agility advantage frigates have (which is pretty small to begin with vs medium weapon tracking), you actually have to rely on the local tank of a small module. The loss of agility and base speed with an AF means you are a lot more reliant on your local tanking abilities to survive.
Having assault resists is helpful, but on the armor side of AFs, you don't have enough low slots to fit to the resist profile a HAC will typically have as well as fit the risk low slot faire of damge, application, or mobility mods. Adding a plate only accentuates the speed and agility issues, which may be a moot point anyhow because every single AF has tight fitting, either PG, CPU, or more commonly, both, so having logi in your gang barely overcomes the inherent problems of a reduced resist profile, small ehp buffer, and reduced mobility ensuring dps will land rather than miss.
On the shield side of things it isn't any better, since your all important tackle and prop mod are now competing for hardeners, a booster, or extender. Lack of mids is a problen with all AFs, and is compounded if you need to fit buffer or resists.

When you look at the stats of an AF, is pretty obvious that they are meant for survivability, and maybe a bit more damage than a t1 frigate. Since they have less mobility, maybe the right role for them is to stick with the ships of the line and logi and keep fast tackle off of them, except this role could be filled more efficiently with a t1 destroyer or t1 attack/skirmish cruiser set up to frig swat. They pack a bit more punch than a standard t1 combat frig, that is for sure, but even for a fast roaming gang where you want everyone to stick to frigates, you will get better results with warp speed rigged dessies as your ship of the line, since they have much better projection, and are insurable.

AFs have been getting wrecked by t1 dessies since their inception. Since 'dictors outside of the Saber aren't as usefull for frig popping (vs launching your probe and gtfo), T2 dessies had little bearing on the problems with AFs, they are still a bit faster than a dessie, but don't have nearly the dps or projection of a dessie. A t3d in propulsion mode has little issue outrunning an AF. Having 3 modes really removes some of the drawbacks of having less module slots compared to a cruiser

AFs are probably only good for maybe, MAYBE, burner missions but even other ships do better. like a bomber or something of those sorts. I guess they can be useful in ATs? No clue. But they really need to get a real use out of them. Being a bad ship isn't a good reason to have them. Like I know one AF used in FacWar but that's because it's a longbower. Nothing else but that and doesn't fill any other role. Idk. I don't do frigate anything unless it's for a stupid mission or getting higher mission levels but i can fly a cruiser or dessie and do them faster.

Most tech one cruisers can kill the tech 3 destroyers very easy.


I like the idea of giving the assault ships the tournament ship treatment and have them have the overheat bonus like the tournament Hawk does.
And for the love of Sansha, why is the Vengeance a better rocket boat than the Caldari one??