EVE General Discussion

Depends on if he likes PvP combat. If you don't, why play a sandbox game in a way you don;t like when there are plenty of other options?

Sorry, I forgot that if you don't get involved in PvP combat you're playing the sandbox wrong.

Note the word "combat". Yes, everyone is involved in PvP, but you by no means have to be involved in shooting each other in the face. There's no bleeding heart routine, I simply presented an option and you exploded into a fit of rage because it's an option you don't like. vOv, get over it.

Ironically that more accurately describes most games centered around typical instanced PvP. A sandbox really shouldn't have a particular point to which one should be expected to gravitate or have one specific goal.

Either way though, preferring not to engage in combat PvP and needing it nerfed are 2 separate things and you do the conversation a disservice by going straight from "no fighting isn't always the obvious solution" to "you're asking for more PvP nerfs."

When he's involved, it always comes up.



There are ways to play with these mercs which don't involve dropping corp or shooting at them, even if they're the small types who will come out and kill you.

Like...
Fly a shuttle or fast frigate out to a L4 hub in the middle of nowhere.
Have someone (alt or otherwise) fly a (cheaply!) PvE-fit battleship to said L4 hub in the middle of nowhere and contract it to your guy in the wardecced corp and run a mission with it. Scout will say "Oh, look, target!"
As long as you've got the nightmare back in dock by the time the killing force shows up, you will have made them waste their time coming out to kill you.
Or, instead of making them waste their time doing that, set up an ambush on a choke into your system and a scout a few systems in the direction. If you throw enough firepower at the gatecamp, they're not going to get away with everything intact.
See who shows up to try to kill you, write their names down. Now you have something you can use locator agents on.

Once they figure that out, fly your frigate to a new L4 agent, set up instawarp undock bookmarks, and stay there for a little while. Then fly off in the frigate once the locator agent says you have company. If they're in local, use the instawarp. As long as you're quick to warp away from the instawarp, they're not going to get you.
And all the while, you're doing other stuff on an alt. Maybe.

One thing to check... Make sure the war against your alt is not set as mutual. I've seen stranger things happen.

As for war decs being a lost mechanic, I disagree. It adds value to the sandbox in a variety of ways. For example, there would be no other way to kill a POS, POCO, or Citadel in hi sec without war decs. In fact, given citadel defense timers, you almost have to have a two week war to make it work. A war dec eliminates lost sec standings if you go try to claim a Low sec moon. Even just harass a rival Indy corp into decreasing their mining output by making them keep an orca docked out of fear of attack.

Yes they do have flaws. It is easy to avoid a dec in an individual or even corp basis unless you have hard assets in space like a POCO or POS. Having multiple wars open let's a group quickly claim a small POCO empire but also leads to hub campers the ability to cast a wide net in the hopes of a steady stream of kills.

It makes it dangerous to grow too big or you become an easy target, but in the other hand the challenge of working around a dec as a Corp makes you grow. It can be a pain but it also helps separate the wheat from the chaff and makes EVE what it is. Without it, who knows what eve would be. But instead of arguing if it should be, why not work towards fixing it?

Alternatively he could drop corp and play the game however he wants safe from the wardeccers. If he doesn't enjoy fighting with them or trying to bait them into wasting their time, suggesting he comes up with some elaborate plan is pointless.

That's nice, but the majority of wardecs are just a big wardec group attacking a small group of players who have no interest in fighting back and usually no ability to do the same. Wardecs are generally used to farm easy kills, which is why I advise most people playing in highsec to just drop corp and work from NPC corps as they allow you to play how you want without the disruption of people seeking easy kills. There's absolutely no point in having a highsec corp that is anything more than a shell.

1. Leave corp
2. Make new one
3. Repeat until the war decers stop

Of course you could also try to fight them and set up traps etc, but that is usually a waste of time because the majority of war decers never show up. They just want to extort some money from unaware newbs and noobs.

You should probably take your own advice. I simply suggested he avoid the wardec if he doesn't want to get involved in fighting them, you then acted like that was a bad option, like his only option should be fighting back. At no point did I stated PvP is restriected to shooting each other, that's why I used the phrase "PvP combat" to make it completely clear that I was talking about just one aspect of PvP.

Now quit raging out because people give completely valid advice you don't agree with.

OP, drop corp and enjoy the freedom from wardecs. NPC corps are the way to go for most highsec players.

You could ignore all the advice in this thread, ok some are trying to help, most aren't though and will give you all kinds of **** comments for even thinking about dropping corp etc, when there's really no need to..

Do what I used to do, always have an alt trained at least in the basics of what you like to do whether it's mining/indy/hauling/exploration etc and leave it in an NPC corp.

When a wardec hits you just chuckle to yourself about the 50m they just spent and carry on earning and enjoying what you do on said alt, that pisses them off as well :)

Agreed, but how do you did this? Or is it simply how the sandbox plays out because of the rules? To make a bad sports analogy, in many games teams will attempt to play out the clock if there is limited time left and the team is ahead. This isn't enjoyable to watch, it usually isn't what people would consider playing the game, and yet it is the result of the mechanic of the game. Perhaps, in order to enable the value add of war dec mechanics, there has to be some accepted meta gaming and drawbacks.

In which case, perhaps the better advocacy would be to remind people what actions to take and all options that are available instead of just uttering the stale old "never make or join a Corp".

And honestly , the main reason to make a Corp is to eliminate the 11% Income tax that is lost in an NPC corp. Plus there are the advantages of sharing Corp assets and spaces in a more convienient manner than contracts and trade mechanics. Oh and the increased capacity of Corp hangars. It's not an increase in m^3 space but rather max item count without having to subdivide using containers. Plus there is owning assets in space and the advantages those may bring. So the reality is, people must decide for themselves when the balance of those options match or outweigh the chance of being war decced. And perhaps that is what should be stressed, the point where advantages of running and being in a Corp out weigh the risk of being decced.