Test Server Feedback

Hi.

Within the next few days we are planning to deploy a new mirror to Singularity. The copy from TQ was already taken.

Citadels: There was quite some concern regarding mirroring Citadels from TQ to Singularity due to spying issues. Unfortunately this is not an as easy task as for Starbases, as we would need to do a lot of cleanup to prevent for example stuck clones or contracts.
After several internal discussions and also discussing this with the CSM we are currently leaning towards doing following, when we apply a new mirror to Singularity:

• Keep all Citadels in place (the position of Citadels is the least worry to most parties)
• Delete all fitting of all Citadels, except Structure Services
• Move all assets of Citadels in W-space into asset safety and fake this asset safety packet to be located in 6-CZ49
• There is slight chance that the previous step is not doable as it might be too slow, in this case we would fall back to just trash all assets from W-Space Citadels.

As far as I can see this should prevent nearly all concerns with spying, while still leaving the test environment in a healthy state.

Please give feedback on this solution, but please keep in mind that we discussed this already for quite some time internally and rejected several other proposals due to various limitations. Mostly interesting: Did we miss any issues with spying? Feel free to send me a pm, if you have any confidential information to be considered.

FAQ:

• What happens with my character, which was logged off in a WH Citadel? - You will appear in your ship in 6-CZ49. (Yes, you might have it difficult to get back into your WH)

I realize that for some of you this will not be what you want as it means WH'ers will essentially have to move assets back to the hole after mirror. I recommend utilizing the "moveme" command to do so.

This is the best solution that could be come up with as writing specialty code for SISI defeats the purpose of the server as a test bed. Regardless I think we can all agree that this is a far better situation than current.

Citadels are closer to outpost (mirrored) than pos (not mirrored). The key is they want the code on SISI as close to tranquility as possible. This is the best solution to leave the SISI code intact while removing the intelligence aspect.

To add to this: It is much easier to exclude starbases than to exclude citadels. For starbases we delete the starbase items and drop a few database tables. For Citadels we would need to fix some other stuff, like your jump clones, homestation, market orders, contracts and similar. We are currently handling all of this when a Citadel blows up, but this would be a bit tricky and time-consuming as mirror preparation step.

Thanks Jerzii, for killing whlers citadels and recording all the drops...

But ya I think this is good change. you can get a lot of info from what drops, like a ballpark of how many capitals and if they have any secret doctrines.

Yep, I'm happy with this.
Where my citadel is, is of no concern. What is of concern are the fittings and assets, which you are taking care. I think the removal of assets and fittings is more than enough, in this situation.

Your normal assets do not drop in normal space - they go to asset safety anyway. Only Citadel fittings and similar like fuel would drop.

Well no, because Citadels in normal space have asset security. In wormholes they do not. Everything is destroyed.
Plus I'm a wormholer so I was talking in regards to wormholes in my previous post

EDIT: Damnit didn't read CCP reply. Derp.

just a quality of life idea: to make restocking citadels easier ... how about all of them have a seeded market?

Maybe not for this mirror, but something for the future, why not make a copy assets feature that copies the assets for an individual only in their current location and works only once per mirror per character.

Woul make it easier for wormholers in your articulate to test things in their environment