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Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1 - 2016-09-19 11:30:13 UTC
How long does this go on for?

I am under constant war dec on one of my mains and wondered if there is actually a cool off period?

If not this is exactly my point towards war decs being a lost mechanic.
Count Szadek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-09-19 11:34:55 UTC
As long as the aggressor pays the fee (based on members of defending corp) the war is renewed weekly

Easiest way to get a wardec to stop is to make it either not worth the fee or more costly for them to keep the war up.
- Wardecs cost 50mil base and go up based on amount in defending corp
- "Winning" a war typically comes down to ISK (but not always)
Keep in mind that many wars are based on a contract with a third party and are funded through this. Also, depending on your main's corp / alliance, you may be declared war on by people wanting free kills in hubs. These groups are typically the high volume groups that make up nullblocs but are not restricted to said groups.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#3 - 2016-09-19 11:54:08 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
How long does this go on for?

I am under constant war dec on one of my mains and wondered if there is actually a cool off period?

If not this is exactly my point towards war decs being a lost mechanic.
Conceivably forever. Or if it does goes away, another one may take its place.

If you don't want to deal with wars then just drop to the NPC corp. Otherwise, learn to deal with them like the game developer intends for you to. Your options include fighting back, finding allies, negotiation, or just vigilance and going about your business.

You are not entitled to do whatever you want in isolation from the other players in this competitive sandbox game. Even if wars get some much needed love, don't expect this fundamental fact to change.

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#4 - 2016-09-19 12:00:06 UTC
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How long does this go on for?


As long as they keep paying to wardec you. Like the other guy said, make it not worth their while. Pretty sure if your corporation joins an alliance their fee goes up exponentially.

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I am under constant war dec on one of my mains and wondered if there is actually a cool off period?


Have you tried talking with your aggressors? You're probably going to be beat over the head in this thread about how this is a PVP game, but sometimes the only shots fired are the ones in CEO level chats. See what it would take to get them to knock it off. Smile

Now.. since this is a complaints thread about our favorite online space romance novel...

Quote:
on one of my mains


Literally gamebreaking for yours truly. Sad

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2016-09-19 12:03:40 UTC
1 week at a time, with the option to renew at any point
Depends who it is.
If it's a big group like archetype or vendetta you might be fine with simple vigilance and avoiding the hub's/pipes.
If it's someone smaller like us, break a wish or public enemy then you should assume they're after you and know where you are.

Mechanically yes , wars need work.
I'm more vocal than most on the topic but you do have to deal with them , or just drop out if it's too much for you.

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Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#6 - 2016-09-19 12:13:41 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
1 week at a time, with the option to renew at any point
Depends who it is.
If it's a big group like archetype or vendetta you might be fine with simple vigilance and avoiding the hub's/pipes.
If it's someone smaller like us, break a wish or public enemy then you should assume they're after you and know where you are.

Mechanically yes , wars need work.
I'm more vocal than most on the topic but you do have to deal with them , or just drop out if it's too much for you.


Cheer Ralph

I know you are vocal on this topic too, from my side, i do not see how the mechanic creates engagement. It just serves the purpose for easy kills. This war dec has been going on for 3 weeks and in that time I've used alternative means to achieve my in game tasks.

Almost sounds like work doesn't it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2016-09-19 12:24:53 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
1 week at a time, with the option to renew at any point
Depends who it is.
If it's a big group like archetype or vendetta you might be fine with simple vigilance and avoiding the hub's/pipes.
If it's someone smaller like us, break a wish or public enemy then you should assume they're after you and know where you are.

Mechanically yes , wars need work.
I'm more vocal than most on the topic but you do have to deal with them , or just drop out if it's too much for you.


Cheer Ralph

I know you are vocal on this topic too, from my side, i do not see how the mechanic creates engagement. It just serves the purpose for easy kills. This war dec has been going on for 3 weeks and in that time I've used alternative means to achieve my in game tasks.

Almost sounds like work doesn't it.

for some it is, camp choke point, push war button , receive bacon.

Raz posted his thoughts on this some time ago if your interested.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#8 - 2016-09-19 12:36:02 UTC
as someone who has lead an alliance under almost non-stop war your best bet is to not just wait it out. for the most part just not being 'dumb' will keep you safe. The worst thing you can do is nothing, go about your normal day to day stuff just with more caution and using alts if you need to enter heavy systems. If you have decent organization set traps most of them are cocky and fly ships shiny enough to make incursion runners blush.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2016-09-19 13:13:38 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
If you have decent organization set traps most of them are cocky and fly ships shiny enough to make incursion runners blush.

yup

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#10 - 2016-09-19 13:17:31 UTC
Alternatively just get any characters who need to fly in space to leave corp and run the corp with permanently docked alts as a shell for your NPC characters. There's no real need to be in a corp in highsec.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#11 - 2016-09-19 18:47:29 UTC
Maybe.. I don't know.. play the game and fight back? I know, not really obvious that idea.

Evil RatKid
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#12 - 2016-09-19 18:55:17 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
There's no real need to be in a corp in highsec.


what flavour of poppy **** is that?

and you wonder why retention is down on new players when vets like you deal out advice like this. ffs lucas.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#13 - 2016-09-19 19:04:45 UTC
Is it one of the blanket war dec corps / alliances if so the next question is did the corp your main is in lose an expensive ship to the war deckers, if so then they are so desperate for kills they will keep that corp war decked for ages, only option is to drop corp.



When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2016-09-19 19:10:38 UTC
Post with your main so that we may war dec you

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#15 - 2016-09-19 19:21:56 UTC
While you are of course wise not to post a thread like this with your main, nor to provide many details - because when people smell blood this does happen:
Bumblefck wrote:
Post with your main so that we may war dec you

It also makes it quite hard to give you any meaningful input/advice - because we don't know any of the details about who you are or *why* you might be decced. And of course the reason behind the dec is a major factor in how long it is likely to last, or how you could potentially end it.


Incidentally several of my mains are also under constant wardecs... But that is probably my own fault for declaring so many wars Pirate

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#16 - 2016-09-19 19:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Dracvlad wrote:


only option is to drop corp.



^^ shortcut to thinking right there.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-09-19 19:44:21 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
...only option is to drop corp.

Well sure. I mean if your a loser that's the only option.

Oh FFS I quoted Drac. Yep, that explains it. Carry on.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2016-09-19 19:49:18 UTC
Well done lads, don't even have to argue with ye on this one as ye were kind enough to torpedo yer own arguments in advance.

Gf , see ye in the next thread

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#19 - 2016-09-19 19:52:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


only option is to drop corp.



^^ shortcut to thinking right there.


What lazy posting, I had two questions ahead of that, seeing as you decided to mis-quote me which is the action of a cad and a scoundrel, I will take the opportunity to add another one which is a question on whether the corp he is in keeps bleeding kills to the war deckers.

But if some one has war decked the OP's corp for three weeks, dropping corp is the best option, the next part is to keep rolling over new corps with the same name, drives them nuts.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#20 - 2016-09-19 20:13:09 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


only option is to drop corp.



^^ shortcut to thinking right there.


What lazy posting, I had two questions ahead of that, seeing as you decided to mis-quote me which is the action of a cad and a scoundrel, I will take the opportunity to add another one which is a question on whether the corp he is in keeps bleeding kills to the war deckers.

But if some one has war decked the OP's corp for three weeks, dropping corp is the best option, the next part is to keep rolling over new corps with the same name, drives them nuts.



nothing lazy about my response.

if you're as interested in helping the guy as you claim to be then pm him.

you said his only option was to drop corp and that's just,, well,,,, bollox talk and you know it.
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