EVE General Discussion

Your use of the word especially is particularly important.

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used to single out one person or thing over all others.
"he despised them all, especially Sylvester"
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to a great extent; very much.
"he didn't especially like dancing"
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What you're suggesting with the word especially is that gankers should have to HTFU more than anybody else in the game, because you consider their playstyle to have no consequence.

If it didn't have consequences, they'd be doing it on their mains instead of locking a character out of other playstyles. They have HTFU'd by accepting that the character they gank with is locked out of other activities because there are consequences for ganking, despite your incessant bleating to the contrary.

A freighter has to carry less than 100m isk to not be profitable to gank.

Nope, not at all. I too have a -10 alt, but since he doesn't actually do anything but gank, his sec status is irrelevant. The only time he's in a ship is when he's on his way to gank at which point he is unlockable.

He is disposable. If the character was lost it would be irrelevant, since he is simply there to be a gank char. If i want to change him from a disposable character to a regular character, yes, I'd have to pay a cost, rat a lot, or just live in null. Up until that point though, he remains disposable. Additionally, with the introduction of alpha clones they will be even more disposable since you can just stop logging on to the account and roll a new one thus avoiding any recycling bans.

So when wide sweeping changes improve mining amongst other things, that's a buff to mining, but a wide sweeping change that buffs ganking doesn't count because it's not just to ganking? Lol.

Sure I do, but these are costs that don't have to be paid. And if you want to talk about opportunity costs, mining needs to be heavily buffed, since if they were afk ratting in null they'd make many times more than they make in highsec thus their income is negative if we include opportunity costs.

Plus, kill rights on a -10 alt that is only used for ganking, lol, talk about pointless.

So you're limited in what you can do with him in Highsec? As if some sort of consequence or punishment were imposed on that character due to past actions?

Only half of this paragraph seems to have an understanding of what the word "disposable" means.

If you have to keep the character on hand to gank with, then they aren't disposable. If you aren't going buy security tags and raise its security status back up to above 0 then you can't biomass him, so he isn't disposable. And the loss of the character would also mean the loss of time spent training skills normally or ISK spent using skill injectors to train those skills or the price of security tags to raise your security status back up. Even after all of that you still have to deal with kill rights which last a month.

As for the second part of that paragraph in regards to free to play accounts you will still have to invest time to train ganking skills. As for the legality/possibility of what you described: We'll have to let CCP decide on that as they haven't finished finalizing the rules/limitations surrounding free to play accounts.

I think you missed the part where clone grades were used by everyone regardless of their profession. It's a pretty hard concept to grasp I guess.

You see with suicide ganking we go for the pods too. Which means that the miner or hauler pilot would have had to upgrade his clone as well if we popped their pod. And if you're referring to the "pod express" that some gankers use - That comes with a limitation as well in that they can't use implants.

I'm starting to question if you really do have a -10 ganking alt or how good/efficient you are at actually using it.


You have to buy a kill right which means that's another cost to factor into Highsec ganking. If the owner of the kill right sets it as 0 ISK and makes it public then who cares. It's their fault they got ganked and it's their fault they didn't make the best usage of their kill right. And if you only come to Highsec to gank then that also doesn't matter. You normally live in/have to live in an area that mechanically is more dangerous than Highsec and that is the tradeoff.

As for the skill injectors: If you don't have a problem with them, then why did you mention them in the first place?

But since that character does nothing else that requires him to have a high security status, the consequence is inconsequential.

Actually, you can biomass a negative sec status character. what you can't do is gank with a character, delete him then roll a new character to gank with. You seem to think that for him to be disposable you're require to dipsose of him at a regular interval, that's not the case, a disposable alt is simply an alt you don't actually need to keep that can be deleted at any time. Gank alts are designed to gank and prevent main characters from having to suffer any of the effects that negative sec status would have on a regular play.

There will be no limits since people can just use multiple email addresses and proxies to ensure they can run as many as they want. Training can be done while using an existing alt so there's no downtime.

Other changes are used by everyone. Take for example the damage control change that buffed freighter EHP. It actually buffed all ships EHP, yet people went wild claiming it was a buff to freighters.

Continue to question that if you want. He's not very hard to find. He also has vastly more SP than most gank alts too, since he's not a disposable alt. I've got a range of characters that have been used to gank though, all mains, only one has maintained a -10 security status. I don't tend to gank these days since I prefer something with more of a challenge, like ratting.

I love Thai Green curry too, just prefer red, the thing is that living in rural France I don't get a chance to find really good Thai restaurants, though did have a nice one near my office in Paris. London is much better for Thai food.

I made like 40 bil selling SPs with the new mechanic, so the fact one can counter all penalities of ganking by throwing isk around makes the penalities rather pointless for many players who sell SP or buy PLEX to fund their gaming.

That is also important to certain orgs that are well financed like CODE.

So a buff to all ships is a buff to freighters, but a buff to all clone users isn't a buff to gankers, even though they save money on lost pods, because it wasn't just to buff gankers? That's effectively what is being said here, that it doesn't count as a buff to gankers unless it's ONLY a change to ganking, not a broad change, but broad changes count as buff to other playstyles.

So a 15000 hp change to wrecks justifies the anshar getting a 150,000+ ehp buff to compensate for changes to a mod it cannot fit?