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T1 Ship Balance What will you fly.
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Alara IonStorm
#1 - 2012-01-17 18:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
CSM Minutes wrote:
Frigates and Cruisers: CCP wants to boost tech one Frigates and Cruisers so that they are viable options for new players, rather than the current system where new players are often told to skip over them towards tier two Battlecruiser or even tech two ships. CCP noted that Cruisers should generally be more mobile than a Battlecruiser, but that this is not currently always the case. Furthermore, CCP added that the higher velocity of Cruisers was not often viewed as being worth the loss of EHP and slots. The CSM agreed and was pleased, noting that there are a large number of ships in these classes that have long needed iteration.


Battlecruisers: CCP wants to do a balancing pass on tier one Battlecruisers, which are problem hulls. The CSM agreed that these needed examination.

Reading this from the minutes I am so very excited. I have been hoping for this for over a year now. I am absolutely ecstatic.

So which new T1 Frigate or Cruiser are you hoping gets a new Breath of Life. Which one will you be flying after the update.

I have my Heart set on the Omen.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-01-17 18:16:03 UTC
Caracal Caracal Caracal Oh god I love the Caracal.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-01-17 18:18:21 UTC
scytche Big smile
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#4 - 2012-01-17 18:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Thorax (a pink one if possible).

I'd just love to set it to 'Ramming Speed!' and blast away again.

I hope HACS and Recons will receive the same base-buffs too in the process though - otherwise there'll be a problem with T1 vs T2 balance.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Hoskoal Ricks
#5 - 2012-01-17 18:29:16 UTC
Maller
Hound Halfhand
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#6 - 2012-01-17 18:29:54 UTC
Heavy Assault Ships have long needed a buff. If you are going to buff T1 cruisers, you almost need to buff the T2s first.
Lord Wiggin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-17 18:30:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Wiggin
Yes, I for one look forward to new players taking down a T2 ship with a T1 ship! Cool

They will buff them, then there will be a uproar about them being too powerful and gamechanging.
Then the Nerf bat will come out and they will be worse than before....(See Supercaps)
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-01-17 18:38:11 UTC
The Moa. WHOS LAUGHING NOW?!!??!

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-17 18:39:03 UTC
I always liked how the arbitrator looked- but the arbi was never that bad to begin with, so maybe other cruisers will be buffed more...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Dunkler Imperator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-01-17 18:40:53 UTC
Omen For sure.

Lazors lots of LAZORS!
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#11 - 2012-01-17 18:42:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Hound Halfhand wrote:
Heavy Assault Ships have long needed a buff. If you are going to buff T1 cruisers, you almost need to buff the T2s first.



Yeah - agreed - I think this all boils down to CCPs 'buff everything else instead of nerfing anything' approach.

The entire problem are Tier 2 BCs when it comes to T1 cruiser and HAC related problems as they just outperform the entire former class for very little isk/skilltime and do a wide variety of things equally well as the latter for a fraction of the price.

So if CCP buffs T1 cruisers and HACs (and BS), things will eventually be okay...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#12 - 2012-01-17 18:42:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
hmmm

so T1 BCs get nerfed a little and T1 frigs get buffed?
t1 cruisers?... oh god yes...

and how does this play with the dramiel nerf (such as it is), will it render the dram and devil as overpriced for the performance, boosting one lessens the other and all that.

I'd hate to see a speed nerf on BC's, especially the cane, since speed is sometimes pretty much all you got

this is both good and troubling....
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-17 18:42:14 UTC
I know you said cruisers.... but Prophecy. I have always loved the prophecy hull, to the point where I'm training both alts to be able to fly command ships. Unfortunately, the t1 hull is woefully mediocre.
Alara IonStorm
#14 - 2012-01-17 18:47:29 UTC
Bane Loppknow wrote:
I know you said cruisers.... but Prophecy. I have always loved the prophecy hull, to the point where I'm training both alts to be able to fly command ships. Unfortunately, the t1 hull is woefully mediocre.

Battlecruisers too. Big smile

I can not wait to see what they do with the Cyclone.
Dessau
The Scope
#15 - 2012-01-17 18:52:14 UTC
Same hulls I'm flying now: Incursus, Maulus, Tristan, Vigil, with a sprinkle of Breacher and Merlin.
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#16 - 2012-01-17 18:59:07 UTC
I see no reason to buff t1 cruisers. The new players aren't forced to use t2 ships from the start, unless they start off in a big alliance, what usually means that they are just a silly little alt for a person in that big alliance already.

Cruisers are fine. They cost next to nothing, they do next to nothing, but in their field, they are good. Now people go for bigger guns because BIGGER GUNS ARE BIGGER - more damage, etc. You can't really put a tiny ship like a frig, or a small ship like a cruiser in par with a battleship, and that's the only reason why bitter vets would use them...

I'm just waiting for caracal fleets to appear instead of drake fleets, because some dev thinks that it'll be cool to make large scale blobvsblov sov warfare to go down a notch and start spamming small ships. I just wanna see that happen so much, that I think I wanna go back to high sec.

Changing cruisers will do the same thing to cruisers as they did to SCs (RiP moms). First they will be cool, everyone will get em, then they'll nerf them and a load of people will just put them on hold untill the next buff in a couple years.

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leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#17 - 2012-01-17 19:03:32 UTC
Why would anyone ever fly a t1 even with a boost T2 are and rightfuly should be better.
Alara IonStorm
#18 - 2012-01-17 19:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
leich wrote:
Why would anyone ever fly a t1 even with a boost T2 are and rightfuly should be better.

Because it is cost vs effectiveness vs class.

T1 Frigate: Cost >>>Faction Effectiveness>>>T2 Effectiveness>>>Pirate Faction Effectiveness.
T2 Cruiser: Cost >>>Faction Effectiveness>>>T2 Effectiveness>>>Pirate Faction Effectiveness.

The lines between class and effectiveness should never cross. What you are paying extra for with a bigger ship is Tank / DPS / Utility at the cost of Speed, Agility, Sig Rad and Scan Res. Not a better Ship. A small ship shuld have relevant slots, fitting and bonuses to meet their goals.

Bigger isn't supposed to be better just different. Faction and T2 are supposed to be better and you pay extra.

T1 Cost vs T2 / Faction Effective Basically.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-01-17 19:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
Dr Karsun wrote:
I see no reason to buff t1 cruisers.


Oh really?

So the Omen isn't in dire need of more PG then? The Augoror isn't near usless, the Celestis get used a lot and the Exequror isn't solely used as a mining/cargo ship?

Mmmmkay.
Hibernator X
Standing Wave Society
#20 - 2012-01-17 19:55:57 UTC

Purifier
Maller
Belicose
Breacher
Celestis

Help these ships!!
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