EVE General Discussion

There's a tiny little word you forgot. Guess it didn't fit your viewpoint, did it?

I'm starting to notice how a lot of people here tend to make statements claiming to be fact without posting a single link to back up their claim. At least I try to post links. Ok, some links might not be so informative but at least you get an idea of where I'm getting my information from without forcing anyone to do the legwork.

I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6d_LAShcEQ

Well unless you can get access to CCP's database your links are not worth much either, earlier you linked to a thread on Reddit that was mostly made up of rubbish, I knew I read most of it.

Oh well. Better than no link at least.

Of course I disagree, I found Tippia an obnoxious troll who went after anyone in a nasty way that had different opinions to her, I saw some of the attack posts that person did and after that person left the games the forums improved a lot., Tippia however did make some good points, as does baltec1. That is my opinion.

The fact is most times you can look at what people say and see where they are coming from, being able to get into the shoes of other people to see where they are coming from is a skill that a lot of forum posters here do not have, or perhaps more like do not bother to have.

I look for people who acknowledge other peoples points, I see Lucas Kell doing that, I have yet to see Shae, baltec1, Jenn a'Snide do that, Teckos did it once much to my amazement. Most of the time all I see is religious chanting of HTFU which is rather amusing.

I have said that ganking has a place in Eve, as does Lucas Kell, both of us believe that it is imbalanced and too easy. If I had $1 for every cretin who tells me that I am saying that ganking has no place in Eve I would be rich by now.

EDIT: Gankers do plan, they are very good at that part...

The same could be said of yourself or Lucas, as well as many of the other posters on these forums, subjectivity is a wonderful thing. I've seen you go after posters for completely pathetic reasons in the past, and I have no doubt that I'll see you do it again, so don't try and pull the "holier than thou" spiel.

I disagree with your statement about people not being able to see where others are coming from, firstly it's not a fact but your opinion, secondly many of the people that you disparage as not being able to do so seem to be the ones that are attempting to maintain the "purity" of Eve in line with CCP's original vision, that's not necessarily a bad thing in the face of people who think it should become more like other games.

HTFU is was CCP's tagline, the people who believe in that, despite CCP's attempts to water the game down in the pursuit of more players, may well be selfish in their desire to see it remain a brutal unforgiving environment; but no more so than those who believe that it should become something that it was never designed to be.

IMHO CCP have become their own worst enemy over the last few years, and they may well be the cause of their own demise. Hilmar and company seem to be falling back into the abyss of hubris; meanwhile I'm sat on enough isk that I can sit and watch them burn over the next 3 or 4 years without paying them a penny.

Conversely I'd be happy to be proven wrong, I have several years invested in Eve and have enjoyed the experience, despite my initial horror when I ended up as a burning wreck in a gatecamp in week 2, and will continue to play until either real life interrupts, or CCP turn it into a parody of the game I started playing all those years ago; I'm hoping that the former is why I stop playing, and not the latter.

Sure I can. I agree with Dracvlad's comment there, ganking has a place in EVE and should never be removed. It should however be open to balance passes, encouragement should be made to steer people towards ganking more veteran targets and less rookies and ganking counterplay needs some serious work.

It's easy to avoid if you have experience, not so easy to "deal with" since there's basically no reliable counter mechanics. I'd much rather see ganking erupt into a two sided battle.

I do. Like I've stated multiple times in the past, counters need to be improved. The problem is that gankers whine about that too, so if gankers are just going to disregard every idea to improve counters then I'm quite happy to support CCP nerfing them into the ground instead, as building both sides up from a cleaner slate would be preferable to maintaining the status quo. Obviously the ideal solution is that gankers get on board and the system is balanced from where it currently sits, but ah well, gankers are unreasonable folk.

There will always be inexperienced players unless new players cease to show up, and gankers will always target the inexperienced as they gain the most for the least effort.

I don't think getting ganked 6 times the first couple days is a healthy learning experience.
Yet that's how often my test alt only a few days old was attacked by CODE.

It is obvious this game has a new player retention issue.

I think CODE and organizations like them are in fact killing this game, and I think they know it.

Did you ask how to avoid it happening again or did you take it personally? The first leads to learning, the second to ridicule and repeated ganking.

This game had a new player retention problem long before the rise of James 315 and his band of motley miscreants. The nature of the game is the primary cause of that retention problem, it being somewhat more cutthroat than the common fare of MMO's.

You give them entirely too much credit, CODE. are easy to avoid if you put in a little effort.