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Alpha State Feedback

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Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#1 - 2016-09-17 12:34:24 UTC
I applaud your decision to add alpha state to the game for some sort of Free to Play to the game. However I do have 1 concern with this.

I feel that the limitations may be too restrictive to be profitable for CCP and all around advantageous for the normal f2p gamer.

So while I understand CCP's approach to getting new and returning players back into the game and the goal is for a full subscription.

While this is a solid premise at the end of the day it would be more profitable to set in place a hard limitation to 1 Alpha account per Hardware Mac address, similar to what DayBreakGames did for their TrueBox servers where 1 Machine can only run 1 Client per connection, however multiple machines could be used. This would prevent free accounts from multi boxing and farming,

However I believe the ability for free accounts to reach a state of income where they can PLEX their account would increase the number of PLEX purchased thus increasing the overall income benefit of going F2P model. I am hugely against micro-purchases as I am sure the entire eve community is.

I believe that the ability to fly Mining Barges and use tech 1 strip miners would be sufficient income capability for players to farm up to earn a plex and utilizing a software similar to the TrueBox I mentioned earlier which blocks multiple accounts from running based on Machine Media Access Control address (MAC) would prevent this system from being exploited.

Please feel free to leave your comment's and any idea's to improve upon this theory below.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2 - 2016-09-17 12:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Did you somehow miss the 2 official feedback threads?

Here and here

ISD will no doubt lock this thread shortly, just as they have with every other thread about it, for being superfluous.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#3 - 2016-09-17 12:43:35 UTC
Kaleic Karrif wrote:


Please feel free to leave your comment's and any idea's to improve upon this theory below.


How gracious of you

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#4 - 2016-09-17 12:44:23 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Did you somehow miss the 2 feedback threads?

Here and here

ISD will no doubt lock this thread shortly, just as they have with every other thread about it for being superfluous.
Yes I did sorry.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-09-17 12:50:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
superfluous.


Nice word use.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#6 - 2016-09-17 12:52:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaleic Karrif wrote:
Yes I did sorry.
No worries, for future reference feedback threads for upcoming changes to the game are invariably posted in the Information Portal section of the forums.

edit ~ "the the" wtf

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#7 - 2016-09-17 12:54:49 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
superfluous.


Nice word use.

pretty pretentious if you ask me..
Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#8 - 2016-09-17 12:55:35 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Kaleic Karrif wrote:
Yes I did sorry.
No worries, for future reference feedback threads for upcoming changes to the game are invariably posted in the Information Portal section of the forums.

[i]edit ~ "the the" wtf

ty, did not know where to find them That i s why i posted in general discussion.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2016-09-17 14:34:01 UTC
Unlimited trial

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#10 - 2016-09-17 15:02:59 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Unlimited trial

That's really all it is.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2016-09-17 16:21:05 UTC
Kaleic Karrif wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Unlimited trial

That's really all it is.

And ...
Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#12 - 2016-09-17 16:29:05 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kaleic Karrif wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Unlimited trial

That's really all it is.

And ...



And that will disenfranchise new players who believe it is anything more than that. & returning players.
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#13 - 2016-09-17 18:46:36 UTC
Kaleic Karrif wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kaleic Karrif wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Unlimited trial

That's really all it is.

And ...



And that will disenfranchise new players who believe it is anything more than that. & returning players.



Can't your MAC address fix suggestion just be bypassed by buying multiple LAN NICs assuming your MB can handle that?

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."

Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#14 - 2016-09-17 19:20:37 UTC
Caco De'mon wrote:
Can't your MAC address fix suggestion just be bypassed by buying multiple LAN NICs assuming your MB can handle that?

No need to. Changing the MAC address of a NIC is trivial.

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#15 - 2016-09-17 19:27:26 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Caco De'mon wrote:
Can't your MAC address fix suggestion just be bypassed by buying multiple LAN NICs assuming your MB can handle that?

No need to. Changing the MAC address of a NIC is trivial.



The point was that CCP limit one character to one IP via MAC. Changing MAC is irrelevant as you can still only run one player on a PC. If you want to run multiple characters at the same time then you would need multiple MAC (or NICs).

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."

Sarah Flynt
Red Cross Mercenaries
Silent Infinity
#16 - 2016-09-17 19:59:47 UTC
Caco De'mon wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Caco De'mon wrote:
Can't your MAC address fix suggestion just be bypassed by buying multiple LAN NICs assuming your MB can handle that?

No need to. Changing the MAC address of a NIC is trivial.



The point was that CCP limit one character to one IP via MAC. Changing MAC is irrelevant as you can still only run one player on a PC. If you want to run multiple characters at the same time then you would need multiple MAC (or NICs).

Then use virtual NIC's. There will always be a way around it. The best CCP could do (if they wanted to) is to make it difficult enough, so that laymen can't do it without guidiance.

Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#17 - 2016-09-17 20:28:25 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Caco De'mon wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Caco De'mon wrote:
Can't your MAC address fix suggestion just be bypassed by buying multiple LAN NICs assuming your MB can handle that?

No need to. Changing the MAC address of a NIC is trivial.



The point was that CCP limit one character to one IP via MAC. Changing MAC is irrelevant as you can still only run one player on a PC. If you want to run multiple characters at the same time then you would need multiple MAC (or NICs).

Then use virtual NIC's. There will always be a way around it. The best CCP could do (if they wanted to) is to make it difficult enough, so that laymen can't do it without guidiance.



Spoofing your NIC MAC would do nothing to get by anti boxing anti vmware, VMware is easy to detect & an application like eve can do anything from using registry keys to machine mac coding to track the machine that you use and verify only 1 account per machine logged onto the tranquility server, however multiple machines on the same ip could exist.
Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#18 - 2016-09-17 20:30:11 UTC
Caco De'mon wrote:
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Caco De'mon wrote:
Can't your MAC address fix suggestion just be bypassed by buying multiple LAN NICs assuming your MB can handle that?

No need to. Changing the MAC address of a NIC is trivial.



The point was that CCP limit one character to one IP via MAC. Changing MAC is irrelevant as you can still only run one player on a PC. If you want to run multiple characters at the same time then you would need multiple MAC (or NICs).
Your NIC would not determine the way it is tracked your MOBO has a MAC aswell.
Kaleic Karrif
Mentally Challenged Miners
#19 - 2016-09-17 20:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaleic Karrif
The easiest way CCP could prevent single machine Multi boxing would be by using CreateMutex call in the program very similar to

#define APPLICATION_INSTANCE_MUTEX_NAME "{BA49C45E-B29A-4359-A07C-51B65B5571AD}"

//Make sure at most one instance of the tool is running
HANDLE hMutexOneInstance(::CreateMutex( NULL, TRUE, APPLICATION_INSTANCE_MUTEX_NAME));
bool bAlreadyRunning((::GetLastError() == ERROR_ALREADY_EXISTS));
if (hMutexOneInstance == NULL || bAlreadyRunning)
{
if(hMutexOneInstance)
{
::ReleaseMutex(hMutexOneInstance);
::CloseHandle(hMutexOneInstance);
}
throw std::exception("The application is already running");
}

More details on what it is in this link

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms682411(v=vs.85).aspx
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#20 - 2016-09-18 17:48:42 UTC
Please use the existing feedback thread at this location instead of creating a new thread for the same topic. Thank you.

Thread closed.

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

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