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Casual PI and Real numbers in Highsec
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#21 - 2011-12-24 16:16:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Just completed my first 48 hours of High Sec PI since 'The Change".

2 Toons: 9 planets pulling, one planet manufacturing.

Assembling POS Fuel Components only through Robotics.

The pathetic amount pulled in High Sec (I'm used to Low until recently) assembled about 12,000,000 Market value of product....and the total taxes with all the Import/Export was FREAKING 4,500,000 !!

WHAT RL Industrialist would EVER tolerate over 33% TAX on his product ???

I felt like I was bailing my PI out of JAIL !!!!

Game is STILL broken.........(lol)

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-12-25 11:29:41 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Just completed my first 48 hours of High Sec PI since 'The Change".

2 Toons: 9 planets pulling, one planet manufacturing.

Assembling POS Fuel Components only through Robotics.

The pathetic amount pulled in High Sec (I'm used to Low until recently) assembled about 12,000,000 Market value of product....and the total taxes with all the Import/Export was FREAKING 4,500,000 !!

WHAT RL Industrialist would EVER tolerate over 33% TAX on his product ???

I felt like I was bailing my PI out of JAIL !!!!

Game is STILL broken.........(lol)


"I get less free ISK per day for my minimal efforts, the game is broken".
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#23 - 2011-12-25 13:12:26 UTC
Actually he's just doing it very wrong.

2 days, 10 planets -> 12M of product, 4.5M of taxes.

2 days, 10 planets -> 7.5M profit

1 day, 10 planets -> 3.75M profit

1 day, 1 planet -> 375k profit.


Doing what worked before does not work now. I'd strongly suggest that he goes read the first page of this thread, hell even the OP would do, but I'm guessing that is probably a little beyond him.



Anyways, 'appy crimbo

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Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2011-12-25 13:14:01 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The pathetic amount pulled in High Sec (I'm used to Low until recently) assembled about 12,000,000 Market value of product....and the total taxes with all the Import/Export was FREAKING 4,500,000 !!

WHAT RL Industrialist would EVER tolerate over 33% TAX on his product ???



try Europe
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2011-12-25 15:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
Actually he's just doing it very wrong.

2 days, 10 planets -> 12M of product, 4.5M of taxes.




That is indeed over 33% Tax. Just sayin'.

Finished the first 48 hours of PI, and the actual figure so far is (with import/export for next batch, etc.) is:

27.28% for High Sec.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#26 - 2011-12-25 16:18:28 UTC
Pretty sure my main point was that you are hauling stuff around along with the other clickyness for a truly pathetic amount of profit per planet per day.

Pretty sure my secondary point was that you have issues with reading. Twisted





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Kwilyn Bathana
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-12-25 19:41:06 UTC
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
Pretty sure my main point was that you are hauling stuff around along with the other clickyness for a truly pathetic amount of profit per planet per day.
Twisted

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I too suspect there is exporting / hauling going on here.....were the planets chosen to allow tier 3 products to be built on planet ?

I instinctively shied away from exporting mats because of taxes, now like another poster said the monoculture approach to PI may not work. Now exporting the highest tier finished product you can may be best.

I'm going to train command center upgrades 3 and continue the "Casual PI" approach and report what I get. The Casual PI i use means you let the planet run it self as much as possible - a minimum of effort and input, the PI is just a suplemental income.
Alain Kinsella
#28 - 2011-12-26 03:17:23 UTC
Kwilyn Bathana wrote:
I instinctively shied away from exporting mats because of taxes, now like another poster said the monoculture approach to PI may not work. Now exporting the highest tier finished product you can may be best.


This is very possible with the P2 I'm working on (IIRC two different planet types can produce it completely). The reason I'm not is that I found a planet with an obnoxious abundance level (about 40% on the bar) of one of the P0. Gems like that are still exploitable with paired planets.

I will continue to suggest Upgrades IV. It made sense in the first iteration of PI for the same reasons it does now. It will make even more sense if CCP will please give us a reason to use the Storage PIN again. P

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Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).
Van Upier
TxivYawg
#29 - 2011-12-26 08:23:44 UTC
I've been scanning planets around to start up some PI - but so far I've never found anything close to the one in the pic in the OP. I mean, I've never seen a white area, not even a red. MAYBE a bit of green. Are my settings wrong? Or are there no decent spots on planets left by now?
Kwilyn Bathana
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-12-26 08:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kwilyn Bathana
Van Upier wrote:
I've been scanning planets around to start up some PI - but so far I've never found anything close to the one in the pic in the OP. I mean, I've never seen a white area, not even a red. MAYBE a bit of green. Are my settings wrong? Or are there no decent spots on planets left by now?


When you view the planet press the scan button, a colored bar is directly under it now. Grab the triangle at the right end of the colored bar with your left mouse button and drag it to the left to adjust scan resolution.

Also right click the planet and choose "Show other characters' networks" so you don't set your extractors on top of someone else's - unless you are going for pvp PI.


If dinosaurs evolved into birds does that mean T-Rex tastes like chicken ?
Van Upier
TxivYawg
#31 - 2011-12-26 13:22:06 UTC
Kwilyn Bathana wrote:
Van Upier wrote:
I've been scanning planets around to start up some PI - but so far I've never found anything close to the one in the pic in the OP. I mean, I've never seen a white area, not even a red. MAYBE a bit of green. Are my settings wrong? Or are there no decent spots on planets left by now?


When you view the planet press the scan button, a colored bar is directly under it now. Grab the triangle at the right end of the colored bar with your left mouse button and drag it to the left to adjust scan resolution.

Also right click the planet and choose "Show other characters' networks" so you don't set your extractors on top of someone else's - unless you are going for pvp PI.


If dinosaurs evolved into birds does that mean T-Rex tastes like chicken ?


You just blew my mind O.O
Mazimillius
Jester's Fleet
Jester's Alliance
#32 - 2012-01-08 02:39:53 UTC
I've now got 5 planets up and running, producing one item each, so there is minimal effort on my part, extract two raw materials, refine and combine them into something else. I'll report back on the financial aspect when I can pull a decent amount of the item off of the planet. I've initially pulled 200 units of "mechanical parts"
180k to get the parts to the customs station
16k in tax
11% below market value and cleared 1.6 mil
Miyamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-01-08 15:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Miyamato
I've been trying to keep track of my * current * profits with the minerals in storage. So far as I can figure, jumping into a high sec planet that can produce P3's with on-planet resources is the best way to go.

Currently up to 15m in profit with my smartfab unit generation. I think leading up to that, the best I could hope for was around 5m or so with P2 materials.

Also, would it be smarter / better just to send your P2-P3 material to the command center and do a basic launch? No taxes from the offices.

Just curious. I'll soon be moving all my P3 materials, so maximizing profits from my first batch would be nice.
Ehn Roh
#34 - 2012-01-17 17:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ehn Roh
Professor Alphane wrote:
Mazimillius wrote:
. No though you would maybe need more processing facilities to take account of extra output.

I'm confused by this statement...

it seems that each additional step away from the extraction process whittles down the resource produced. so by the time it gets to an advanced facility two extractors can feed one advanced facility through two basic facilities. but then I could be wrong.



If you do PI in low sec each ECU creates more product, so you don't need more of them, What you might need is more basic processors.


Indeed they do... I have one ECU feeding 5 basic factories on one planet, and I still have to have to use an entire 5k m3 storage building just to buffer the stuff coming out of the ECU. I could use one spaceport for all storage, but this lets me ignore it for a long, long time.

For anyone looking into starting up PI, I'd suggest sketching some notions out on paper and comparing them to other people's setups. It will keep you from fiddling with the setups too much in the start and save you a couple of million ISK.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-17 18:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Ehn Roh wrote:

Indeed they do... I have one ECU feeding 5 basic factories on one planet, and I still have to have to use an entire 5k m3 storage building just to buffer the stuff coming out of the ECU. I could use one spaceport for all storage, but this lets me ignore it for a long, long time.

For anyone looking into starting up PI, I'd suggest sketching some notions out on paper and comparing them to other people's setups. It will keep you from fiddling with the setups too much in the start and save you a couple of million ISK.


Actually if you used a launchpad you could ignore it for even longer.

I have to say I was initially sceptical but I truly lurve the new PI. The real change to it has been the increase in the capacity of the links.
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